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triso07 01-10-2017 06:31 AM

Not to mention the fact that Nissan could easily sell a stripper version of that car without the options in the low 30s with a 300hp turbo motor.

I think your expectations are too low and not based off the current climate of the market.

FPenvy 01-10-2017 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by triso07 (Post 3600516)
Not to mention the fact that Nissan could easily sell a stripper version of that car without the options in the low 30s with a 300hp turbo motor.

I think your expectations are too low and not based off the current climate of the market.



Stripper version? Hell yeah! I'll take 2.

RicerX 01-10-2017 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by triso07 (Post 3600514)
Want to see what the current 1LE Camaro offers for 46k ...

V8 455 horsepower
6-speed manual transmission
Magnetic Ride Control
electronic limited-slip differential
Forged-aluminum wheels running 285/30ZR20 front and 305/30ZR20 rear
Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires
Brembo brakes with 6-piston 2-piece rotor
Track cooling packages like engine oil, differential, and trans
Dual-mode exhaust
RECARO seats
Available Performance Data Recorder
Rev Matching

Actually, with all the features you listed, it's closer to $51k, but you probably know about some imaginary rebate that I don't. I also dig how to make your argument at $46k you also list available options.

Nissan 370Z. Nismo Tech version. Recaro seats. 3.7L 350hp V6. $48k*

* - Available Fast Intentions Twin Turbo kit.


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No one is saying build a car with a carbon fiber tub, 500hp motor, carbon ceramic brakes, and electronic suspension and sell it to me for 40k. These requests are not unrealistic despite the fact you keep saying they are.

Don't tell me a DCT is unrealistic either as my goddamn Mitsubishi Evo has one and cost under 40k brand new.
Mitsu-what? ... Evo huh? OH!! Mitsubishi**

** - Available Nissan-Renault Alliance buyout.

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You honestly think a 3100lb 400hp DCT Brembo Brake Recaro seat optioned Z should cost more than 46k?

The base Cayman comes in around 52k.
Actually the Cayman is $54,950 including destination.***

*** - Available Floormats.

FPenvy 01-10-2017 08:59 AM

You give me a new good looking Z with 400hp 3.0tt, good interior, and good weight then I have no problem paying 45-55k for it.

Sticker on my 09 was 43k I think.

Hell im currently teasing the idea of spending 55-60k on a ZL1 lol maybe even a guilia after the first year hype dies.

JARblue 01-10-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by triso07 (Post 3600509)
You guys really need to stop saying this. All this they can't do it stuff is nonsense. They can, they just aren't.

Don't tell me a DCT is unrealistic either as my goddamn Mitsubishi Evo has one and cost under 40k brand new.

Saying what? That most of the stuff you're asking for is cost prohibitive? Because it is. No one said they CAN'T do it. People are saying Nissan won't do that stuff because most of it doesn't make sense financially. What are you not understanding?

And that's a terrible argument. Compared to the Z, your Evo with DCT is still way behind in the sports car market, so it's not even a good comparison. If your DCT (or any other for that matter) just swapped straight into the Z, then sure, there's no excuses for Nissan not to offer one as an option. Except that's not the case. The R&D to create a new DCT (or even a shared DCT) that works in the Z absolutely is not worth it with such low sales figures.

Best case is they develop a DCT to work in another, more marketable vehicle category to help with costs and it works with the new Z platform. Another option might be to design the new Z platform to work with an existing, earlier generation DCT. And yet another option is they change the target price point for the Z to accommodate any and all upgrades, in which case everything is pretty much up in the air as they could go in a number of directions with it. Bottom line is most people think a DCT in the new Z is doubtful, and your argument that it should be is wishful thinking. I don't think you'll find anyone here who thinks a DCT in the Z is a terrible powertrain option.

Wonka2581 01-10-2017 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3600549)
Saying what? That most of the stuff you're asking for is cost prohibitive? Because it is. No one said they CAN'T do it. People are saying Nissan won't do that stuff because most of it doesn't make sense financially. What are you not understanding?

And that's a terrible argument. Compared to the Z, your Evo with DCT is still way behind in the sports car market, so it's not even a good comparison. If your DCT (or any other for that matter) just swapped straight into the Z, then sure, there's no excuses for Nissan not to offer one as an option. Except that's not the case. The R&D to create a new DCT (or even a shared DCT) that works in the Z absolutely is not worth it with such low sales figures.

Best case is they develop a DCT to work in another, more marketable vehicle category to help with costs and it works with the new Z platform. Another option might be to design the new Z platform to work with an existing, earlier generation DCT. And yet another option is they change the target price point for the Z to accommodate any and all upgrades, in which case everything is pretty much up in the air as they could go in a number of directions with it. Bottom line is most people think a DCT in the new Z is doubtful, and your argument that it should be is wishful thinking. I don't think you'll find anyone here who thinks a DCT in the Z is a terrible powertrain option.

No I think if they even make a new Z (and that's a big if) a dual clutch auto would be a good option for the AT guys. But that being said they need to make it to handle at least 500 pounds of tourque. Also they need to keep and manual option. I think all the argueing is useless let's face the facts there has been no news or speculation that Nissan is going to make a new Z. I see the Z falling the way of Supra and or NSX. If they do make a new one it will be years from now if that.

FPenvy 01-10-2017 10:31 AM

Dct would be nice.

Maybe it's time to do away with the manual too

njobe89 01-10-2017 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3600574)
Dct would be nice.

Maybe it's time to do away with the manual too

:gtfo2:

:rofl2:

mishuko 01-10-2017 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3600574)
Dct would be nice.

Maybe it's time to do away with the manual too

Said no one ever.

JARblue 01-10-2017 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 3600558)
No I think if they even make a new Z (and that's a big if) a dual clutch auto would be a good option for the AT guys. But that being said they need to make it to handle at least 500 pounds of tourque. Also they need to keep and manual option. I think all the argueing is useless let's face the facts there has been no news or speculation that Nissan is going to make a new Z. I see the Z falling the way of Supra and or NSX. If they do make a new one it will be years from now if that.

I agree it would be a good option. No one is disputing that. But the chance of having that option is dependent on how long it takes Nissan to put out the Z35. If they announce it later this year, it is much less likely. If its 5 years from now or more, you're completely on target that this is all complete speculation and no one really knows what will happen until we get closer and get some more information. Sure DCTs might be commonplace 5 years from now and a totally viable option for the new Z. Or maybe some new alien technology comes along. Its all just what ifs at this point :)

And they better keep MT option. Frankly, who cares about some shitty DCT :stirthepot: :icon17:

triso07 01-10-2017 02:29 PM

Ricer you need to relax with your specific cost figures. I'm generalizing clearly.

Also, do you guys work for Nissan? You seem to know a lot about their business and what is or is not cost prohibitive.

What **** are you trying to talk about the Evo exactly? The car has AWD, a great suspension and braking system, Recaro seats, and a DCT for under 40k and came with around 300hp stock (go ahead and correct me here Ricer about the exact HP/Torque figure, since I know the 5hp will make all the difference to you). That was in 2008.

Somehow what I listed is unreasonable super car territory to a few of you lol.

cigarclifford 01-10-2017 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3600574)
Dct would be nice.

Maybe it's time to do away with the manual too

lol went with a automatic on my new ride :D

Hope your happy now..

FPenvy 01-10-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarclifford (Post 3600818)
lol went with a automatic on my new ride :D

Hope your happy now..



Very lol

Well done sir.

cigarclifford 01-10-2017 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3600826)
Very lol

Well done sir.

Thank you Mr Frank :tup:

:icon17: My 2010 Nismo is at 98,000 miles and still mint as day one new Sir :tup:

:ugh: I know it came with a manual :icon17:

FPenvy 01-10-2017 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarclifford (Post 3600829)
Thank you Mr Frank :tup:



:icon17: My 2010 Nismo is at 98,000 miles and still mint as day one new Sir :tup:



:ugh: I know it came with a manual :icon17:



It's ok we all make mistakes lol

My 2009 is at 60k miles give or take. Haven't driven it since early November so not 100% what it was at lol


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