Embarrassing , Carlos Ghosn is ruining Nissan enthusiast image . Now their whole lineup is overpriced recall issue filled cars. Nissan is close to last in consumer satisfaction .

Seeing as mr. Ghosn is the one who ultimately made the decision to bring the gt-r to the states i would disagree, also how is their whole lineup overpriced when they sell for a few thousand below every other brand aside from hyundai and kia? Lastly....have you actually been paying attention to the auto industry as a whole? If so you would realise that every manufacturer within the last few years have had major recalls on all their cars and i just read an article this morning saying that consumer confidence in the auto industry is on a downward slope based on all the recalls that have been issued by all manufacturers. Also from what I've read nissan actually improved their reliability ratings within the last year

If that is the truth..

Goodbye Nissan. It was nice knowing you.

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This has to be a joke...

looks like someone got really high and went onto photoshop.

"lets take a GT-R roof, maxima front, murano size/stance, and Z emblem.....perfect."

*bong rip*

There is no way they do that. Maybe that's a new vehicle or a new version of the Juke, but no way they take a sports car and make it a crossover vehicle lol.

Must have been a slow day at the office for this writer and he decided to make something up.

Carlos Ghosn is a very savy businessman and because of that, I doubt this will ever occur. Here's why, the Juke sell's about 3K units a month in the US (decent but not even close to the 25-30k unit Altima status). If they create a 2nd model in this lower priced, compact, crossover segment, there is a real possibility that it would just take away from the Juke's sales numbers. So really, creating a 2nd car in a 3k a month sales area? Very dumb business move in my opinion.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Nissan should make the next Z close to a C7 competitor (which sells about 3k units a month) and could possibly release it a year after the new Infiniti Q60 debuts. Keeping their very efficient manufacturing set up of shared architecture as well as manufacturing plant where the Infiniti Q50, Q60, Z & GTR are made. Nissan can share that same 400hp turbo v6 going into the Q60 right into the Z, keep it's weight similar to the current Z and focus on driver feel.

With starting prices of $40-$45k, they will retain they're current sales volume of 600 units per month, plus the real oppotunity to steal some Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, Porsche and BMW customers. IMO this is a much bigger playing field and would not conflict with stealing sales from another Nissan product.

If they turn the Z into a crossover, then the resale value of our cars just went up. If the next gen Z is a turbo 4-banger priced at $60K, then my next car will be a Cayman.

I guess I'm just old, but Nissan seems bent on manufacturing ugly cars. The new Maxima looks like some kind of space ship, and the Juke might just be the ugliest car I've ever seen. I'm kind of scared of what the Z35 might look like, whatever it turns out to be. Just one guys opinion. To each his own.

nope...that honor goes to the pontiac aztek

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I'd love to be the fly on the wall in those design meetings when they come up with such garbage and all the dumb corporate sell outs say to themselves: "this is the one..."

I feel like a lot of the car design now just takes this checklish approach instead of making a simple cohesive attractive overall shape for the vehicle. Instead they just go down the list: "Giant blacked out grill... check...." "fender vent things....check...."

That is either the next gen Juke, the "mini Z" that has been discussed (but not the actual Z), or a really early April Fool's gag.

And gag I did, when I saw it.

Vomit and spit.

Am I the only one that actually likes that car?

I call this BS.
Makes me appreciate mine more.
If this is true, ill keep my 370z forever.

Nissan is confused on what to do. They don't want to bump the horsepower on the current Z in fear that it will hinder the sales of the GTR. From a manufacture's point of view it would be stupid to have two cars produce fairly similar power when one is less than half the price of the other one.

A factory TT Z with 450 HP can easily rival a 550-600 HP GTR with a few simple mod.

I personally don't think Nissan will ever do do that. If they did that'll be the end of the GTR. People will go, "hey I can buy a Z for less than half of a GTR and make it quicker"!

Dropping weight and using the Juke Nismo RS engine to compete with the BRZ/FRS is much more financially beneficial for Nissan. :stirthepot:

No you're not, I remember seeing quite a bit of those in Houston a few years back.

I always thought it looked like the back of them got chopped off and they couldn't figure out what to do, so they left it like that.

The next gen GTR is AWD, balls deep, launch control, aint stopping for nuns or nuthing, spaceball insanity 800hp. A 420-450hp RWD Z is zero threat.

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Even at similar HP levels, the Z and GTR are very different cars.

:iagree: With Firebase on this one.

From a roll its a threat. From Nissan's point of view, the customers would rather pay 40-50k for a 450 HP Z than almost 200k for a 800 HP car. Why would anyone pay 200k when they can have just as much fun in a 40-50k car.

Fact of the matter is Nissan wont make something that will take sales away from the GTR. The vice president already said, if you want power go GTR.

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Then why not get rid of the GTR, bump the horsepower on the new Z and sell more units. Im sure the GTR is not cash cow for Nissan. (that honor goes to the Altima and the Sentra I think).

The gtr is a 4 seater sports car.
Even though i hate a 4 seater , its easily the more preferred practical sports car i believe.
The z on the other hand is not a practical car for most.
gTR is targetting the right market segment. The gtr sells more than the z. Or so i believe. The gtr is a legend, so is the z. They both need to stay in its own place.

I wish for the z to have more power but if z gets into gtr territory , it would affect nissan. The z should only stay in the same competition as the camaros and mustangs. Anything more would affect the gtr.
I prefer the z over a gtr, but i would buy a gtr just for what its capable of stock. Nissan might not be doing everything right with the z, but they are spot on with the gtr.
Just my opinion

GTR is a halo car, not intended to sell anywhere close to huge numbers.

The Z is in an entirely different category. There should be some synergy between the two but not a whole lot of overlap.

They could double the power (and cost) and speed wouldn't increase all that much (certainly much less than double!). A modest increase (10-15% increase) would mostly solve the marketing bullets. Value is obtained by reducing overhead on the somewhat ridiculous markup for the tech package (or better yet making it standard equipment at least at a certain trim level).

Sorry but that makes no sense. The GTR is a huge, heavy, AWD, dual-clutch supercar. Bumping the Z to 400-425hp even via turbos does not encroach on a GTR in any way. The car is a smaller, lightweight (relatively), 2-seat sports car.

No doubt the successful return of muscle cars (go America) has scared Nissan and most definitely cost the Z potential buyers. If you're looking for a cool sporty car that has good performance on a budget, American Muscle is very appealing.

I still maintain though that Nissan really doesn't need to do much with this car to make it a hit. It's long in the tooth and needs a good solid redesign that focuses on strong simple lines (NOT the way Nissans design has been going unfortunately). They need to bump the power to anywhere from 375-425 and get the weight down to 3100lbs. Use a little better materials on the inside. Maybe offer the standard car as an NA V6 that gets about 375hp and offer a NISMO variant that's turbo'ed and gets about 420hp with some suspension and aero tweaks.

I guarantee you if Nissan does what I say they will have a large buyer base.

If Nissan does that, I would probably trade in my 2015 Nismo for the 420 hp Nismo in a heartbeat.

Agreed, but the 2016 Camaro has 455 HP and 455 torque. So the Z needs a power increase. And the Camaro is losing 200 pounds, adding performance dual-mode exhaust, configurable middle dash display, drive modes controlling exhaust/steering/tranny, and magnetic ride shocks.

The Z needs to step it up to keep up.

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Just to keep the information correct, the Z over the last couple of years is selling about 7,000 cars a year in the US, it's on track to do the same in 2015. The GTR on the other hand has just recently sold it's 10,000th car in the USA since it's introduction. The Z sells way more units than the GTR.

Woops.
Thanks for the correction. Itd just that i see way more gtrs than z's.

ped, I agree with you. Nissan needs to increase the performance of the Z to keep it relevant and increase sales, not make it a Toyobaru competitor or mini crossover.

While the average car owner may not know or recognize the physical difference between a 350 or 370Z. The average car owner recognizes the "Z" name. Every single time someone asks me, what kind of car do you drive? I respond, "a 370Z". They always reply with "wow".

Other than the Altima, the Z probably still has the 2nd most recognizable name in the whole line up of Nissan cars. IMO, It would be a terrible shame for Nissan to change this Icon into basically an entry level compact.

No worries Leroy, it's probably cause you're in Dubai. In Honolulu, you'll see Z's a little more often than a GTR but they're both rare sights! :tup:

not to mention that the GTR is butt ugly

Nissan's chief assistant did mention that they have to revolutionize the Z and not evolutionize it. He mentioned something about taking the Z back to its roots and said they need to make it more affordable.

I want the Z to grow in power and lose weight also but in my humble opinion I don't think it's going to happen. Realistically how many 3000 lb car with 350 HP are around thats about the same price as the Z? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's any. The Porsche is at 60k.

No research but on YouTube channel called fast lane daily said Nissan is not making another z sports car but a crossover

2 by 2...hands of blue

Yep! I posted the video in the other thread.

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http://i.imgur.com/IhV3Uaf.jpg

carbon fiber hood, nice!

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobile...crossover.html

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/r...26-gj7ysk.html

http://ecomento.com/2015/08/31/next-...lug-in-hybrid/

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/621...orty-crossover

Scary. I don't have high hopes.

Uh.... wut?