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jpritche 02-24-2012 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1564292)
Its not throwing any CEL's

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You car doesn't want you to check the engine because it's fuc*ed

MightyBobo 02-24-2012 09:46 PM

People in here are trying to be really nice and not troll you, and also not call you out for being silly...

I'm trying to do neither, and just be honest here. Your motor is probably rickety-wrecked, and revving it like that for the video made me cringe like no other. When you hear ticking, you TURN THE CAR OFF AND LEAVE IT OFF until you figure out wtf is causing the ticking.

If you're lucky, its not your lack of crush washer that caused it, but you'd better put one on before you bring it in, that's for sure. And your best bet is to play the "LOLIDUNNOWUTHAPPENED" game, and hope they warranty it.

Also, while I respect you doing your own oil changes for the past 8 years...you may want to look at how our valve train works, what with the mention of rockers and lifters...

sfearl1 02-24-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1564270)
How am I supposed to replace this when I have to go to Nissan to do it ?

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If you DIY you should have these already. Not trying to be an *** at all man. You buy them from Nissan service for like a buck each.

MightyBobo 02-24-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sfearl1 (Post 1564298)
If you DIY you should have these already. Not trying to be an *** at all man. You buy them from Nissan service for like a buck each.

x2. I got a box of those suckers for like, 10 bucks at the most. Probably 50 in there or something lol

frost 02-24-2012 09:52 PM

Everyone so far has been really cool, but I can tell that this thread has the potential to go nuclear at the drop of the hat. So I'll try and be proactive and remind everyone that this is the tech area, so stay on topic and no shenanigans. :tiphat:

Synack 02-24-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 1564297)
People in here are trying to be really nice and not troll you, and also not call you out for being silly...

I'm trying to do neither, and just be honest here. Your motor is probably rickety-wrecked, and revving it like that for the video made me cringe like no other. When you hear ticking, you TURN THE CAR OFF AND LEAVE IT OFF until you figure out wtf is causing the ticking.

If you're lucky, its not your lack of crush washer that caused it, but you'd better put one on before you bring it in, that's for sure. And your best bet is to play the "LOLIDUNNOWUTHAPPENED" game, and hope they warranty it.

Also, while I respect you doing your own oil changes for the past 8 years...you may want to look at how our valve train works, what with the mention of rockers and lifters...

Well theres no reason to troll anyway. I didn't do anything wrong. But I'll find a way to get a new bolt and washer in the mean time and have it towed.

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Waiz 02-24-2012 10:39 PM

Just tow it in, I wish you the best of luck.

Compdoc777 02-24-2012 10:58 PM

I know engines and that is a rod knock. Engine rebuild or warranty replacement issue. That bottom end is shot.

Sound like you spun a rod bearing maybe two. Yes good thing you had it towed it could throw a rod through the block running it much more. Right now it's just chewing into the crankshaft.

Synack 02-24-2012 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Waizzz (Post 1564370)
Just tow it in, I wish you the best of luck.

Thank you

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ImportConvert 02-25-2012 12:18 AM

Sound and oil temp issues strongly indicate bearing failure secondary to oil starvation.
I am very curious as to why oil starvation occured--where did it go?
Check your filter for puncture, etc.
Also check tail pipes for absurd soot.
How many miles on this oil fill?
You have already messed up by adding oil, driving, etc. Next time call dealer ASAP when something goes awry. However, it sounds like this is honestly nothing you did, and a good dealership should take care of you.
Good luck, and if possible, please provide us with a failure analysis. Cars do not all of a sudden start using oil without cause.

Synack 02-25-2012 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1564485)
Sound and oil temp issues strongly indicate bearing failure secondary to oil starvation.
I am very curious as to why oil starvation occured--where did it go?
Check your filter for puncture, etc.
Also check tail pipes for absurd soot.
How many miles on this oil fill?
You have already messed up by adding oil, driving, etc. Next time call dealer ASAP when something goes awry. However, it sounds like this is honestly nothing you did, and a good dealership should take care of you.
Good luck, and if possible, please provide us with a failure analysis. Cars do not all of a sudden start using oil without cause.

Sure. Will do. Thanks.

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MattP725 02-25-2012 08:27 AM

It is possible that you have a oil consuming block... I suspect I might. 5 qts is a lot though... I think about 2k miles I was down a bit over a quart last time I checked... unless you have been 8k+ since your last change, there was something else at play here too.

MJB 02-26-2012 12:23 AM

Keep us updated Synack. By reading your sig it sounds like you have some mods done to your Z. If they are power mods, you may want to take them off just incase the dealership gives you any warranty hassle.

Jordo! 02-26-2012 12:27 AM

Yeesh... good luck.

ImportConvert 02-26-2012 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MattP725 (Post 1564653)
It is possible that you have a oil consuming block... I suspect I might. 5 qts is a lot though... I think about 2k miles I was down a bit over a quart last time I checked... unless you have been 8k+ since your last change, there was something else at play here too.

I thought this was only the 2009's?

Red__Zed 02-26-2012 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1566199)
I thought this was only the 2009's?

All model years of every car have units that aren't put together quite right.

Synack 02-26-2012 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB (Post 1565909)
Keep us updated Synack. By reading your sig it sounds like you have some mods done to your Z. If they are power mods, you may want to take them off just incase the dealership gives you any warranty hassle.

I have the HPS tubes and a catback. They shouldn't care. This dealership personally installs and tunes all kinds of Z's, G's, GTR's, etc etc and they are very good about letting you keep the most of your warranty, if you install and tune with them of course.

I will definitely keep this updated. I just put in the crush washer. That bolt was on there extremely tight and it looks like not a SINGLE drop of oil has ever escaped there. There were no signs of oil new or old that has ever been in that region. Including the plastic bottom cover of the engine, completely clean. But the washer is in there now. Going to have it towed AFTER the Daytona 500 today. :driving:

sfearl1 02-26-2012 12:48 PM

man, that's crazy no oil leak or anything. sounds like this will be covered under warranty.

i wish you luck man!

Synack 02-26-2012 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sfearl1 (Post 1566695)
man, that's crazy no oil leak or anything. sounds like this will be covered under warranty.

i wish you luck man!

Thanks but I'm unsure if whether I should tell them that I added new oil in or not. Or just hand it to them and say "I just started the car and it was making these horrible noises!"

sfearl1 02-26-2012 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1566699)
Thanks but I'm unsure if whether I should tell them that I added new oil in or not. Or just hand it to them and say "I just started the car and it was making these horrible noises!"

i don't think adding oil would disqualify you for warranty work. you did what anybody would naturally first think to do - add oil. personally, i'd be straight up with them.

Zemurray 02-26-2012 12:59 PM

If you tell them you added 5 quarts of oil and you do your own oil changes, they will deny your warranty claim for sure.

How long has it been since you did the oil change?

Once, when I was a teenager about 25 years ago I changed my own oil and forgot to put the drain plug back in so all the new oil went in the oil pan with the old oil. I drove it down the block and the oil light was on so I turned back and figured it out quick.

I guess my point is that if you added 5 quarts of oil, you either screwed up the oil change, or someone drained it out to screw with you. Only three ways to get oil out of an engine, drain it, burn it, or leak it. If you were leaking or burning enough to go through 5 quarts you would be smoking like a spy car or leaving an oil slick so huge you and everyone else would know it.

Just keep this in mind, because this is exactly the way the dealer is going to look at it.

sfearl1 02-26-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemurray (Post 1566711)
If you tell them you added 5 quarts of oil and you do your own oil changes, they will deny your warranty claim for sure.

How long has it been since you did the oil change?

Once, when I was a teenager about 25 years ago I changed my own oil and forgot to put the drain plug back in so all the new oil went in the oil pan with the old oil. I drove it down the block and the oil light was on so I turned back and figured it out quick.

I guess my point is that if you added 5 quarts of oil, you either screwed up the oil change, or someone drained it out to screw with you. Only three ways to get oil out of an engine, drain it, burn it, or leak it. If you were leaking or burning enough to go through 5 quarts you would be smoking like a spy car or leaving an oil slick so huge you and everyone else would know it.

Just keep this in mind, because this is exactly the way the dealer is going to look at it.

good points all around. totally slipped my mind that you do your own oil changes.

NeverBoneStck 02-26-2012 01:24 PM

You have a oil consumption issue ... Your dealer will do a consumption test and hopefully replace it .. Nissan engines are notorious for chewing up oil including other makes and models ... Good luck !

Zemurray 02-26-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck (Post 1566743)
You have a oil consumption issue ... Your sealer will do a consumption test and hopefully replace it .. Nissan is engines including other makes and models have this issue as well ... Good luck !

You obviously haven't read the thread

NeverBoneStck 02-26-2012 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemurray (Post 1566780)
You obviously haven't read the thread

I have and your comments about someone draining his oil or he did it wrong is laughable .. Obviously you have no clue about the vq and oil consumption issues .. His dealer could be a dck because he changes his own oil and try to deny a claim but it won't happen .. There is even a Nissan bulletin on oil consumption ..

NeverBoneStck 02-26-2012 02:01 PM

My 06 Z had the block replaced 3 times for consumption issues and Nissan bought back my car .. That noise in the vids is rod knock ... Engine is shot and they will replace it free of charge as long as it is still under warranty...

Zemurray 02-26-2012 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverBoneStck (Post 1566815)
I have and your comments about someone draining his oil or he did it wrong is laughable .. Obviously you have no clue about the vq and oil consumption issues .. His dealer could be a dck because he changes his own oil and try to deny a claim but it won't happen .. There is even a Nissan bulletin on oil consumption ..

Uh, not doubting oil consumption issues on 09's, but his car is very low miles 2010 for one. For two he has spun a rod bearing, so your suggestion for doing a oil consumption test is laughable. The car isn't even drivable because the motor is blown. Third, He added 5 quarts after the rod started knocking. Not 2, but 5. 5 full quarts. The entire oil capacity of the whole engine.

NeverBoneStck 02-26-2012 03:06 PM

The reason he spun a bearing was due to low oil and no oil .. My car started to consume at 6000 mile .. This issue was suppose to be resolved when Nissan made the hr ... Guess what ?? They hr an vhr has the same issues as the 06 revup .. Oil consumption .. Because of the oil issues you get rod knock , spun bearings and a new engine ..

Synack 02-26-2012 03:07 PM

So what's the verdict?

1. Tell them it had no oil and I added 5 quarts

2. Act like I have no idea what's going on, which is mostly true.

Red__Zed 02-26-2012 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1566942)
So what's the verdict?

1. Tell them it had no oil and I added 5 quarts

2. Act like I have no idea what's going on, which is mostly true.

considering the dealer is pretty aware of what happens on the forum, be honest with them.

O&G 02-26-2012 03:20 PM

Looks like oil consumption, I never replace the crush washer when I change my oil and never leak oil. Get it towed and hopefully Nissan will chalk it up under oil consumption and you'll get a fresh motor!

Synack 02-26-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by O&G (Post 1566971)
Looks like oil consumption, I never replace the crush washer when I change my oil and never leak oil. Get it towed and hopefully Nissan will chalk it up under oil consumption and you'll get a fresh motor!

Ok so it sounds like honesty is the best policy here. Which is fine by me, I always try to stick with honesty. So I'm going to tell them it was really low on oil and making loud ticking noises, and I added oil to the engine to see if that would help, and it did not.

370zFORme!! 02-26-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zemurray (Post 1566711)
If you tell them you added 5 quarts of oil and you do your own oil changes, they will deny your warranty claim for sure.

How long has it been since you did the oil change?

Once, when I was a teenager about 25 years ago I changed my own oil and forgot to put the drain plug back in so all the new oil went in the oil pan with the old oil. I drove it down the block and the oil light was on so I turned back and figured it out quick.

I guess my point is that if you added 5 quarts of oil, you either screwed up the oil change, or someone drained it out to screw with you. Only three ways to get oil out of an engine, drain it, burn it, or leak it. If you were leaking or burning enough to go through 5 quarts you would be smoking like a spy car or leaving an oil slick so huge you and everyone else would know it.

Just keep this in mind, because this is exactly the way the dealer is going to look at it.

Just because you don't know how to change oil (forgetting to put the drain plug back in) doesn't mean others don't know how to change their oil. Also a dealer isnt just going to deny warranty because you do your own oil changes as long as you keep documentation, receipts and change interval records. Just saying..

NeverBoneStck 02-26-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Synack (Post 1566976)
Ok so it sounds like honesty is the best policy here. Which is fine by me, I always try to stick with honesty. So I'm going to tell them it was really low on oil and making loud ticking noises, and I added oil to the engine to see if that would help, and it did not.

I have always changed my own oil .. Even when I had my new engine replaced in my Z and it failed 3 times .. After 3000 miles it started to eat oil again ..Go in there and tell them the truth .. They will make sure your oil is full and tape your oil cap and filter to make sure they are not tampered with during the test .. After a thousand miles they will check your oil .. If it is consuming like you say it is it will be low.. They will order you a new block and hopefully once installed it will solve your problem .. Also you can request a diminished value check from Nissan for the new engine .. They gave me 1000.00 dollars and after countless engines bought the Z back . Since I bought my G new in 08 it has not consumed any oil ... I feel your guys pain .. Such a drawn out process.. Also, stop letting your friends drain your oil ....:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:: bowrofl:

Synack 02-26-2012 04:14 PM

I'm headed there right now.

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Waiz 02-26-2012 04:17 PM

Tell them the truth, there have been others here who had weird consumption issues that no one else was able to figure out as well.

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...n-2-5-wtf.html

sfearl1 02-26-2012 04:37 PM

i would replace the word "ticking" with "knocking" when you describe the initial noise you heard. when i think of ticking, i think loud fuel injectors. it was definitely knocking in the vids you posted. that might help them to know it wasn't a "tick" that turned into a "knock" after awhile, if that makes sense.

wheee! 02-26-2012 04:41 PM

sub'd

Zemurray 02-26-2012 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 370zFORme!! (Post 1567006)
Just because you don't know how to change oil (forgetting to put the drain plug back in) doesn't mean others don't know how to change their oil. Also a dealer isnt just going to deny warranty because you do your own oil changes as long as you keep documentation, receipts and change interval records. Just saying..

I know exactly how to change oil and I'm a very competent mechanic. My point was that people make mistakes and this might be how the dealer reacts. If you run out of oil for whatever reason, the dealer can deny the warranty claim. It's your responsibility to check the oil regularly and make sure it is at the proper level. quit trolling.

Synack 02-26-2012 05:24 PM

Easy guys, you're all just helping here and I appreciate it. The car is at the dealership and I'll be talking with them tomorrow to figure out what is going to happen.


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