i agree. what about all the people who bought houses when the housing market was at its highest? i'm sure they'd want a refund too. not apples to apples, but it was YOUR choice to buy a 2013 at those prices that you agreed to.

Ok first off that was the banks who got greedy and f'ed everyone in America. Not exactly the same thing! Watch "Margin Call". Not one of those ******* pricks today has been arrested for it. Second everyone in America almost f'ed them back by not paying and foreclosing which cost them millions but good old govt bailed them out. Again not the same thing here. Japan isn't America I pray to god and since this is different they should still do something about it like bailing out the people instead of them taking money.

Now where should the cut off be? I have no idea. A 13 bought in 12 I think is to long. But maybe 6 months ago I think is appropriate. It wasnt my choice to slash prices was it? If it was I'd of paid less for my car. I don't think its right that nissan knew what the 14's were gonna cost and let 13's be sold at their prices. They all roll off the assembly line at the same time, only the badge ID changes years. My car rolled off the line less than 2 months ago and was bought directly from Japan!! That's like them saying "he has car #1 and will pay $36,600 but car #291 (if 3500 or something were sold a year, that's 291 a month being built) will go for only $33,000. That's the biggest insult slap in the face they could do to a customer.

This has been said many times here, but people will never understand.

A lot can happen in 2 months, let alone in a year. I don't think it's fair for you to say that Nissan 'knew' what it was going to cost. They don't. The JPY/USD probably played a big factor in it. Last year, the rate was like 80 JPY to 1 USD or something like that. Today it's close to 98 to 1.

And regards to your assembly line example. I'm certain that Nissan increased MSRP during the same model year before (http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...ust-go-up.html). Same car,same model year, same assembly line. MSRP went up.

1. Not much has happened. $3 in last month with $2 being the average.

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2. They know what the cost was, they just didn't issue the rebate fast enough and a lot of people will be hurting and mad.

3. That was an increase of $460! Haha. An increase is fine as it doesn't hurt the older models. And did you really just try and compare $460 to me when its negative $3600 now??! People will never understand!

They've been making the 2013 model year Z since mid-late 2012. Like I said, the rate back then (when they introduced the 2013 model in 2012) was around 80/1 and now it's close to 98/1.

They don't change MSRP every month based on exchange rate, so your argument here doesn't really make much sense.

They didn't make a 14 a year ago so the rate back then doesn't matter. If a new car year is coming out, and the older year is $3600 more, a few months before the release the older cars should get a huge rebate! This basically is what they're doing! Again, they just did it to late which is BS! They didn't have to change the msrp. They just needed to say "hey, 14's will be here in less than 60 days and we don't know the price yet, wink wink, but buy this 13 with a $3600 rebate!" I'd of been happy and not in a position to not be able to buy my damn car back!

More information on this please. I love my 2013, but I just bought it not even 2 months ago and wouldve loved to have known this before hand.

I feel like i should be able to go to the dealership and make an argument. Anyone who doesnt see that this drops the value of ALL 370'z perhaps isnt seeing the big picture.

It hurts the newest more since every year the 370 has increased price. The older guys just don't care.

Absolutely. And hence as a Brand new 2013 owner, who has less then 2000 miles on his car, I am most upset about it.

I already did not get the best deal due to a trade that I wanted out of. This now throws my negative equity on the car to a rediculous number and will make refinancing the car even more difficult.

i don't see what Nissan did wrong. If they listed a product for x amount of dollars, and you agree to buy it, how is it Nissan's fault?

Before commenting pointlessly like everyone else has today, mind reading last few pages so we don't keep repeating ourselves over and over?

only repeating it because it's not getting through

Why doesn't anyone agree with my method of thinking. I think it's 100% valid


Btw, those of us with older cars, you're missing the picture, our cars have been devalued too.
(Example) I could say, buy my 2009, it's $28k because its touring/sport/nav, a new one is $46k, now... Oh... A new one is $42.5k now... That's a loss of $3.5k of "value" you lost, or could use to justify a higher price (or less devaluation)
(Yes I know it was like $43k in 2009) but the advantage of a car going up in price is that it helps keep the resale value up.

Nissan did a great move actually for themselves, what bothers people here (me included) is that now our 2013's have a drop in value not due to mileage or age, just due to a business maneuver. Plus for most people here, when they make a personal effort to buy the car that they want it is true that they sign a contract to pay the price they consider "good". But, when two months after that car gets renamed 2014 and a huge price drop... they feel like they've trashed 3k right there as there is really no difference between a 13 and a 14, except the date of purchase. You can't stop people from being pissed about it and expressing their feelings on a public forum. As per the refund, we all know it's not going to happen but, as far as I'm concerned, I would like to see Nissan apologize or, better, publicly justify their move, especially to their american customers that keep the 370z market in a pretty good shape, compared to other countries where much less people can afford (buy + taxes) a car like this.

AND to look at this another way... There is a 2-3k price difference between years when it comes to reselling, that means you got jacked on top of getting jacked...

AND, if the dealers are getting $3,000 back on every 2013 on the lot how come the customers aren't???

That's not the way I understand. It is the customers choice to purchase a 13 or 14 model year if the dealer does not drop the price. But they did not get a refund on already sold 2013 cars.

There has to be a price adjustment cut off date, it's in every industry and if it is exchange rate related, you don't adjust on a ongoing basis. In our company we evaluate our products on a 6 month basis and sometimes in between if the economical situation calls for it. We than set a date, usually a quarter to adjust the price, and yes it can go up and down. Agreed, usually it goes up due to material and payroll increases, but either way, how else would you do it. If you increase the price you upset people who are just in the process of placing an order but came a week too late, if you lower it, you piss everyone off who purchased a week too soon.

Just keep your car for the next 5 Years and the difference will be a couple of hundreds, if at all on resale value, and smile every time you push the pedal to the metal. :-)


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I can't keep my car! That's the problem. Nissan wants $21,000 for it in August 2016. A 2014 370z in October 2016 will be worth $18,000. I cannot keep my car because I don't feel like getting fisted in my ***. You're crazy if you think it will be a couple hundred in 5 years.

Lets go ahead and watch this. Today a 09 sport brings 24k. When the 14's are out and in a few months I bet these prices crash! Hope everyone here likes your car because you won't be selling it anytime soon! That is unless you like a fisting.

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If someone bought a 13 at msrp vs a 14 at msrp in 4 years like you 09 guys you'll be out $4362. That's $90.87 a month. If everyone's ok with what nissan did then please, my paypals my screen name and since that money means nothing to you please send $90.87 a month for the next 48 months. Thank you

Has anyone brought up this point??

Say you purchased a 2013, and you talked them down $3000 down from msrp. And now a equally equipped 2014 you are only able to negotiate it down $2000 from msrp. Then are they really dropping the car the amount everyone here is saying and what they are advertising (trying to drum up sales)

So to sum up what I am saying isn't the truly important number actually the invoice the 370z is?? Unless people here assume that the spread from invoice to msrp will be exactly the same in the '13 model to '14 model.

My guess is it will be at least $700-$800 closer and you will not be able to talk a dealer down as much as last year.

How do you know 2014 will be worth 18,000.-,cars loose value by percentage an not by $ each year. Also did you pay full MSRP when you bought it?

I like that the price was dropped. Imo, it's more in line with what the car is worth.

Wow....look at Vic here spouting sh*t when he doesn't even have horses in the race. :nutswinger:

Good guess einstein...that's the way it is when the new models first come out. :rolleyes:

Not according to Nissan. Who the hell pays MSRP anyways...stop bringing up strawman arguments.

This is equivalent to them coming out with a few model Z. Cars depreciate when a new model comes out I bought my 2013 knowing that they were not redesigning the Z, otherwise I would've waited. But now , basically they have. I like that someone posted the current value in a 2009, because this absolutely effects all Z owners.

Its great they lowered the price. And yes it is more in line with its actual value I suppose But meanwhile, it F***ed all of us. Thanks.

Does this pricing mean that we will see a new Z in 2015???

What is the address or email link for Nissan Consumer Affairs?

I am writing them a letter today.

This may very well drop the buy out value at the end of my lease. Therefore, could be a win for me

Um... Yeah... I think we're all expecting that. Or it was written somewhere

Wow, this really exploded.

1. I bought a '13, and while it's annoying that I could have waited and saved money, that's how life is and how retail is. I can buy today's stuff tomorrow for less. I'm still happy with my purchase.

2. I really kinda get annoyed by people who buy a rock at price X; then three months (or one day or one weekend or one year) later they see that the rock is now discounted and selling at Y. And they get upset. And not just upset, but livid PISSED enough to demand a refund of the difference off the original contract they agreed to (a rock at X price). (No, I'm not a lawyer; but yes this falls under contract law.)

I guess I'm just not that guy. Those people annoy me, but it's not a judgemental thing where I think less of that personality; just that I don't do that.

3. I also like that the price dropped, and that was my first comment to a coworker, as it puts the base model close enough to other cars to be a thought for the consumer (Focus ST, FRS...).

So glad to see you on the correct side, lol

Great, can I fight for a refund on your behalf? If I (you) get a check back, you donate it to charity

I thought you were comparing MSRP pricing on a 2013 vs a 2014 Z? So you have to think what the rate was back then to what it is now when they set the price.

2013 - MSRP $33,120. When they announced the pricing back in 2013, Yen was 78/1

2014 - MSRP $29,990 Yen is now 98/1

I'm just saying why not wait and see what the 2014 pricing/option changes would be like before getting a 2013? As a consumer I would be knowing full well that a 2014 was coming since they announced a 2014 Nismo way back in March/April. Why not wait and see? If you like the changes go get a 2014, if you didn't like the changes get a 2013.

Wait...but I think you said you leased it right? I read on this forum that leasing this car is a bad idea for whatever reasons it was, I don't recall. So, maybe that's why you're so upset.

Anyway, seems like we'll all just agree to disagree here.

The reason I am writing to Nissan is that I am a little pissed. Granted, I agreed to the price I paid for my 2013 on June 7, but someone must have known the price was going to drop and I would have waited 7 weeks in order to get a better price. A couple of hundred dollars would not really matter, but the difference is more than 2 grand (for me).

Argghhh

It's not a rock it's a car that cost me my hard earned money. It's rare that a car company sells a model for $3K less the following year so the price difference caught most people off guard. If most had the foresight to see this coming they would have waited, I would be willing to bet you would be on that list. It must be nice to piss away whenever you feel like it...that's how you roll, I wouldn't know the feeling.

Really, you expect a manufacturer to tell everybody..."hey just wait a couple of month, we will slash the prices and you should not go out and by the car until than"??? for 7 weeks, really?

In what world of business do you guys live actually, you bought a car you like, so go out and drive it instead of trying to chase an idea, you will not get any money back nor do I think Nissan did anything wrong! And no, I don't have money laying around, but I paid what I thought the car was worth, and was fine with it for the last 3 month, so what is different now. I don't worry about resale value, if you do, than a used 3 Year old car would have been a much better choice to begin with.

LOL! I'm fine with that. :)

So, what should Nissan do to avoid the pissed off people? I see three options.

1) Don't drop the price unless the price reflects a drop in materials or whatever.

2) Refund $3000 to everyone who has purchased a 2013 Z in the last 3 months. (Of course, what about that poor shmuck who bought it 3 months and 1 day ago?)

3) Stop selling the car for a period of time as a buffer window to a price change. Then after X time, start selling the car again for that price. (This may also be invoked by warning your customers of the price drop, which any rational customer will just not buy for a while.)


If you were a business owner faced with a similar decision, what would you do? Regardless of size, you have your own numbers to deal with and people working for you to whom you're responsible.

If you were a business owner of a public business that answers to stakeholders (investors), what would you do and/or tell your investors?


In the end, you do what's right for your business. Yes pleasing customers is what ultimately is right for the business, but it's not always that easy or clear cut.

Yes, I do expect that -- especially from Nissan and my dealer in particular. My 2013 is my 11th Z and my 20th Nissan I have owned. I have owned Nissans since my first Datsun 510 I bought in 1976. There is a concept of customer loyalty and treating loyal customers a bit different. I am responsible, either through my own purchases or through direct referral, for almost 250,00 dollars in sales at my current dealer alone.

As far as resale value, like your opinion, I could not care less.

Lol good luck. We both signed a contract saying we'd pay xx,xxx. But I hope to. I don't need a $3600 refund. But I do need a $3600 price drop on my residual or Nissan can go **** themselves.

Since everyone wants to bitch about price and **** how bout I just go to where my cousin used to be manager and they hooked me up fat and get the invoice and residual so all you little haters shut the hell up and realize we're all f'ed.