If it's anything like the 370 release it will be after the G coupe release. Infiniti gets it first.

If that is real it's no real suprise most people though 2017 at least if there is a new z.

Active sound enhancement? you mean the fake engine noises played through the stereo?

oh no...

what do you expect if they're using a 4pot turbo? 4pots can be sporty sure... but i'm not a fan of them (especially in luxury cars ie bmw/benz/audi)

i guess we have to wait another 2 years then
just saw teaser of infiniti q60 concept on the website for detroit motor show

Seems that all new cars are not living up to expectations. I've read Nissan is debating on dropping the Z and make something that will compete with the FR-S/BRZ. Everyone's also going to smaller displacement blown motors with sound tracks pumped into the cabin (cuz they sound shitty), electric steering (for more fuel economy) which sucks ballz and they are even replacing the spare tire with cheap repair kits.

Notable let downs this year...

• M4 has so much torque that it actually oversteers when you put down power that it hurts it performance in the twisties. Haven't driven it but have seen numerous reviews that all have the same consensus.
• Mustang is bigger, heavier and slower in straight line than the previous gen.
• Lexus RC F is a freaking pig at 4k lbs! Dafuq were they thinking?

Honestly the only recently new car that's been a pleasant surprise has been the vette, if you can get past its hideous rear end. :shakes head: I really don't have high hopes for any new cars as there's so much competition, seems like the marketing mantra now is a "world car" which means they must meet all types of international regulations and standards which leads to compromises. I'm looking forward to the next car that will surprise me, whatever that may be, but until then not getting too optimistic.

On the bright side, gas is pretty cheap. :tiphat:

Was at the dealership yesterday looking at looking at the New Murano for the wife and my contact and I talked about the 2015 Nismo. He told me that he has heard that the Z will be all new in 2017. Like most of know, we have heard things like this in the past, and like most "I will believe it when I see it".. On a other note, hope you all have a Great Christmas!!!:tup:

I'm guessing that, like the M4, you haven't driven the RC-F either. It does not feel at all like it weights that much. And what kind of retard expects a Lexus to be a featherweight? Of course it's going to have a lot of weight added in creature comforts. It's still a very entertaining car to drive. I found it to be much better in all performance aspects than the BMW.

Since you decided to open the name calling door let me jump in as well.

<and what="" kind="" of="" retard="" expects="" a="" lexus="" to="" be="" featherweight?=""></and>When a company takes aim at it's #1 competitor (BMW M3/4) and touts that their new car is a serious contender they don't go and add nearly 200 lbs to an already heavy car. In fact, the new M3/4 is 180 lbs lighter than the previous e9x. Also, you've clearly demonstrated you have no idea where that weight gain even came from. According to the Lexus engineers it's all in extra bracing and stiffening to make the car handle better and flex less. It certainly didn't come from "creature comforts" as you suggest.

Furthermore, Lexus didn't want to even spend the necessary capital to build a proper contender...

"The RC chassis is a Frankenstein mash-up of three different cars. From the front bumper to the A-pillars lay the bones of the Lexus GS sedan. Between the A- and C-pillars, engineers borrowed the floorpan of the Lexus IS C convertible (reinforcing the sills for good measure). The rear end is adapted from the current Lexus IS sedan. The three sections are welded and bonded together with structural adhesive used around the rockers, inner fenders, A-pillars, and floor crossmember. Extra spot welds join the cowl and rockers, and laser screw welding is used for the door apertures, rear window, and package tray. Structurally, the regular-strength RC coupe and the hot-rodded RC F are nearly identical, although the F has its own fenders, aluminum hood, and front bumper cover, as well as a few more braces to stiffen things up even more."
Source: 2015 Lexus RC F First Drive – Review – Car and Driver

So my question to you is; what kind of retard opens their mouth and pulls sh!t out their *** when they clearly are not fully informed?

I pulled none of my statement out of my *** or quoted someone. I drove both (on a track, mind you) and made my own decision. Maybe you could try the same before regurgitating a magazine's opinion as your own?

Ever heard of throttle control? First time iv ever heard of someone complaining about a TT 6 cylinder making too much torque..

Edit: Also, do you have any idea what a GT-R weighs? Last I checked that isn't holding it back from making it around some corners.

Go read/watch all the track reviews which are done by professional race drivers. For instance, Randy Pobst drove the M4 and the RC F on the track. The M4 won by only 3 tenths a second because the cars got too much oversteer. It's the reoccuring theme in every track review. The car could be faster if it wasn't so tail happy in the corners.

2015 BMW M4 vs. 2015 Lexus RC F – Head 2 Head Ep. 59
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9A3eY8PRtQ

Ever heard of AWD? The GT-R is known for having the most sophisticated AWD system in the world which is why it can overcome it's weight issue. On an interesting note, the BMW M235i AWD version is one car that I find exciting and yes, I've driven it. Actually the new M2 is one car I'm keeping my eye out for.

:drama:

anyone got some extra butter

AWD helps. If the other car is also AWD, then it's just bad chassis engineering.

them 2 series look so weird. looks like a civic dat wants to turn into a man.