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Tadpole 02-13-2015 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Zipper 104 (Post 3110519)
Can't be anything close to what service for Harleys is. I never came out of a service under $500 until I clued in. Did all my own after that. I've always preferred to do everything myself anyway. If I screw something up I can live with it. When I pay stupid $$$ only to have them screw something up I'm not very pleased about it. If I want stuff messed up I'll do it myself, thanks. I'm paying you to not screw up.
I never let them wash my bikes either. The last straw was when I got a bike back covered in greasy hand prints. I was told that's what you get when you don't let them wash it. Really? A fu^^ing ape wouldn't make that big a mess.
Spent over an hour out in the parking lot getting the bike back to where I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen on it.
One thing I will say....despite the misconceptions floating around out there, all the Harleys I've had have been absolutely bulletproof. Tremendous build quality and NOTHING turns heads like 'em. My 370 is absolutely invisible by comparison. My last Harley would turn more heads on one ride home from work that ANY and ALL non-Harleys I owned over time, combined. I mean, serious thumbs up ever where you go.

104
There are four things wrong with Harleys.
Too expensive
Too slow
Crap brakes
Handling???? HaHahaha

Other than that they are pretty noise makers.

sunkist350z 02-13-2015 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Tadpole (Post 3111443)
There are four things wrong with Harleys.
Too expensive
Too slow
Crap brakes
Handling???? HaHahaha

Other than that they are pretty noise makers.
Agree Halreys are slow pos. ..they always try to race my zx636..their faces are priceless when they lose:icon18:

brucelidat 02-14-2015 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3111423)
I didn't think it was bad, sure it's a little rough but it never bothered me when I had my 370.
It's fine for the 370, but if we're talking about a 45 - 50k M fighter Z, then it should be a bit better since we're in a new price bracket. It needs a bit more polish to go with the extra grunt to sell at that price.

Kaldaien 02-14-2015 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3111542)
It's fine for the 370, but if we're talking about a 45 - 50k M fighter Z, then it should be a bit better since we're in a new price bracket. It needs a bit more polish to go with the extra grunt to sell at that price.
M fighter, eh? Why do I get the impression that if something were to fight the BMW M, it'd have to be an Infiniti?

I just don't see Nissan adding all those doodads to the Z that allow you to dynamically adjust suspension stiffness, steering, throttle and braking response. That stuff all belongs in a tech bloated vehicle, which is what the Infiniti brand is for.

Firebase99 02-14-2015 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaldaien (Post 3111574)
M fighter, eh? Why do I get the impression that if something were to fight the BMW M, it'd have to be an Infiniti?

I just don't see Nissan adding all those doodads to the Z that allow you to dynamically adjust suspension stiffness, steering, throttle and braking response. That stuff all belongs in a tech bloated vehicle, which is what the Infiniti brand is for.
For the NVH like the gent suggested at this price point I agree now that you mention it. And I don't think it necessarily needs to be as good as the M E92 M3/4. It just needs to hold its own, like the z33 did with the E46 M3 back in 03.

brucelidat 02-14-2015 11:05 AM
It just needs to match up in performance. It doesn't need to be all teched out and bloated or as luxurious.

Tadpole 02-14-2015 11:48 AM
I'm thinking more of a competitor to the Cayman. The Z is due for an update big time staying with the same platform for the last 6 years. It has to up the ante to stay alive if it hasn't died already. Nissan wake up and quit dumping all your resources in the GTR that most of us can't afford!!!!!

brucelidat 02-14-2015 11:51 AM
Being a competitor tot he Cayman will not sell cars. The Cayman is very niche and a lot of Cayman buyers wouldn't get the Z anyway even if it was as good since the Porsche badge is part of what they want as well. If they want to actually sell cars it needs to have more power, enough to hang with a m4 or mustang GT. It doesn't need to beta them, just be in their ballpark for hp and acceleration. That's what most buyers are looking at and why, even though the Mustang GT and Z are different cars, they are still cross shopped. Add in great looks and handling and it they'll have a winner.

Firebase99 02-14-2015 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3111871)
Being a competitor tot he Cayman will not sell cars. The Cayman is very niche and a lot of Cayman buyers wouldn't get the Z anyway even if it was as good since the Porsche badge is part of what they want as well. If they want to actually sell cars it needs to have more power, enough to hang with a m4 or mustang GT. It doesn't need to beta them, just be in their ballpark for hp and acceleration. That's what most buyers are looking at and why, even though the Mustang GT and Z are different cars, they are still cross shopped. Add in great looks and handling and it they'll have a winner.
Yea I totally agree. As is the Z will walk a base Cayman. Not the S though, but it's not too far behind. It doesn't need not frankly should it have the refinement of the M4, but it's got to make the M4 WORK to justify the realistic $80K you'd drop on one as opposed to the HOPEFULLY sub $50K for the Z35. I'm thinking realistically 3300 pounds well equipped, DCT 430bhp and 360Tq ought to do it. Make it Z sexy and right around $47K...if be in one again tomorrow. Don't scoff at the DCT, the '16 Veloster just got it. It can be done at cost.

Magic Bus 02-14-2015 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3111729)
For the NVH like the gent suggested at this price point I agree now that you mention it. And I don't think it necessarily needs to be as good as the M E92 M3/4. It just needs to hold its own, like the z33 did with the E46 M3 back in 03.
Yes agreed, drive a Z and M235i back to back and you'll notice the huge NVH difference, so that could be improved. However that's part of the blue collar personality and fun of driving the Z. Also one area where the Z shines vs M is steering feel and let's hope Nissan doesn't lose this on the new one.

Firebase99 02-14-2015 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Magic Bus (Post 3111936)
Yes agreed, drive a Z and M235i back to back and you'll notice the huge NVH difference, so that could be improved. However that's part of the blue collar personality and fun of driving the Z. Also one area where the Z shines vs M is steering feel and let's hope Nissan doesn't lose this on the new one.
I've driven the m235i. It's not all that at all. The next Z NEEDS to fight the M4/Cayman S with real #'s. That's what a Z is! Like you said blue collar price at white collar performance!! They have always done it! They get trumped 15 months later but do it again...at cost. I'd STILL rather have a Z34 against a Mustang GT if all I wanted was...get back to me on that. That's why I'm in a Genny now I suppose. Lol.

brucelidat 02-14-2015 03:50 PM
It needs to fight the m4, not the e92 m3. Nissan better not mess up the steering though. I heard the m4 steering is pretty bad.

zigzagz94 02-16-2015 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3111979)
It needs to fight the m4, not the e92 m3. Nissan better not mess up the steering though. I heard the m4 steering is pretty bad.
The new 400hp Q60 is intended to be the M4 fighter that you want. The Z35 needs to be a poor mans Cayman GT4 or a smaller 6cyl Vette.

brucelidat 02-16-2015 04:29 PM
The z is supposed to be more performance oriented and less luxury than the q60 so if the q60 is a M fighter, the Z should be also. I AM NOT talking about fighting the M in lux, but performance. Being a poor man's Cayman S got NIssan horrible sales. Most poeple shopping for Cayman S's aren't looking at Nissans. Guys looking at Mustang GTs and maybe Vettes might look at a Z so it should be in line with them in terms of performance (which puts it in line with the m4 as well).

Firebase99 02-16-2015 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by brucelidat (Post 3113464)
The z is supposed to be more performance oriented and less luxury than the q60 so if the q60 is a M fighter, the Z should be also. I AM NOT talking about fighting the M in lux, but performance. Being a poor man's Cayman S got NIssan horrible sales. Most poeple shopping for Cayman S's aren't looking at Nissans. Guys looking at Mustang GTs and maybe Vettes might look at a Z so it should be in line with them in terms of performance (which puts it in line with the m4 as well).
I think it needs to put doubt in the C7, M4, and Cayman S. Forget the GT4. The Z33 re-ignited this all and ran with the E46 M, and was toe to with the Boxster S. Lost a bit of ground with the Cayman S (and the Z34 still does thanks to P cars upgrades where as Nissan left the Z the same). It needs to come CLOSE to these guys. Not in lux, very close in tech AND performance to have a C7 buyer curious about saving $30k.


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