2007/08 335i 3L Turbo Inline6 making 300HP for $40,000
or
2009/10 370Z 3.7L V6 making 332HP for $30,000
:rolleyes:

Turbo Z's will make 335i's look like yuppie playskool toys.

But to each his own.

^ Stupidest comment of the day.

Who compares a STOCK 335i to a TT Z? Oh it's a 3.7 btw.

:drama:

Pass the wealth, in class and trying not to laugh.

Considering the 335i is turbocharged and costs around $10K more(About the cost of FIing a Z) I think I'd rather just buy the Z stock and turbo it myself and be happier with the result. Make both cars turbo and there's no competition.

I'm sorry for the typo professor. I'll work on my typing in the future.

dreamer can you pass the M&M's?

Fair enough. Although I would like to add that 70% of TT G/Z's would be equivalent to or less than a 335i with a $570 piggyback. Also reliability comes into play especially when you TT a N/A motor. We both live in the Mid-A which is notoriously known for the most boosted Z's and G's and I have not run into one single owner that did not have a issue with their set up. Granted it might have been a small issue, an issue nonetheless.

Oh I wasn't correcting you, I was just making sure you knew how big your 370z's engine is.

Passes M&Ms.

My wife and I were actually comparing the 335i to the G37S earlier this year. I think the G37S is more of a direct comparison to a 335i. Both have back seats, perform very similar and have the luxury element. I liked the exterior of the 335i but the interior is way to conservative and plain. We liked everything with the G and figured it would cost less to maintain over many as well. So we had our hearts set on buying a G37S until we saw the Z. We drove them both and there was no going back to the G after that. If you don't need a back seat and want a sports car, the Z's your car imo.

335i's with the vishnu piggyback and boltons are making 370HP if they're lucky.
Last time I checked the 370Z is making 400HP+ easy with a plug-n-play FI kit.
Reliability is an issue on any car that has increased the power significantly.
I'm pretty sure the 335i has had issues. Small issues, but issues nonetheless.
Plus the 335i coupe weighs almost 300lbs more if I remember correctly.

I guess it all comes down to personal interest and the owner's purpose for the car.
Plus, I have a biased opinion.

Well that's very kind of you to remind me.
:rolleyes:

There are two TT G37's (fireboy AAM TT?,christians GTM TT) in my area one of them took it to the track on the 500hp(IIRC) settings and was able to produce a 12.6 @ 116ish? in the 1/4. Obviously the 370z should post better times due to its weight but the difference shouldn't be too drastic (.5 or more). True, 335i's have trouble making 400hp+ with bolt ons yet can dip into 11 sec in the 1/4, it's all in their powerband.

I agree with you on the reliability thing but lets just say I have seen from experience, numerous unhappy owners due to having problems with their FI'd G/Z.

Totally understandable you having a biased opinion but I just don't like it when people are slightly misinformed and i'm super bored at work today :hello:

Anyone who owns 'said' car will have somewhat a biased opinion, that's to be expected. No harm and it's good discussion. It's when people go on a rant who are clearly misinformed (like nicknick for example) then trolls come out of the woodwork.

To be fair, the JB3's are putting down more power than Procede's.

You're also comparing a $10,000+ FI package to a $500 tune - let's be honest, for 99.9% of people, one reason for selecting X car is price. So to say John Doe has the financial ability to drop $10,000+ on a FI package is a bit far fetched.

Another point is reliability. On the FI 370z, you won't be taking that to a dealer for warranty work. For the 335i it's as easy as removing the tune (45 minutes) and you're done. I guess the point I'm getting at is the ease of modding. For a 370z to compete with a modded 335i they have to drop over $10,000, permanently lose their warranty, and always have that fear of something going wrong.

I think the point thats been made, is that for the same price of the 335i, a 370 can make close to 500whp with the TT kit. While a $600 flash can net 400hp for the 335, its still considerably less power, while the overall cost remains on par. And another comment i read was correct, the Z is more in line with the 135i, while the 335 is more G37 territory. IMHO, while ugly as all hell, the 135i is a better platform for power and overall speed than the 335i which is a bit of a fatty compared to the Z. Lets kill this thread off shall we?

40k for a 300hp V6, 40k for a 475-500whp TT'd Z, i think the choice is clear.

I disagree, there is a 12.8 sec 370z with minimal bolt ons on stock tires. The 370z easily has potential to be a mid to low 12 sec with full bolt ons/tuned and the proper tire set up.

Let's let the OP decide that he's the one who's asking for people opinion which we are giving.

Also for some the choice isn't as clear as you make it seem. Again why are you comparing a modified car to a stock car? Only fair that you do the same for both. How many people can say they would actually TT their brand new 370z and lose warranty right off the bat?

I thought that 12.8 sec pass was with full bolt ons? Maybe I read it wrong, very nice.

Nope, you're correct I misread the post, my mistake. I must have confused it with another post from one of the other forums i post in lol

I'm surprised ppl are concerned with other modded vehicles. It is very rare you will come across another modded vehicle, especially one getting 500whp. Besides most individuals with "fast" sports cars can't drive them. I have come across current generation M5's and Z06's that couldn't keep up with the Z. So those concerns are unwarranted. And for the record, a stock 335i is no match for the Z. Trust me.

It's not that we're concerned about other modded vehicles but rather the vechicles own potential.

That's true but trap speed is pretty constant measure of power level. You can easily mess up your launch but your trap speed is a good indication at how fast your car is overall. Wow a Z06 driver that couldn't keep up with a Z needs to sell it and buy themselves a toyota prius. Their gears are so tall they would rarely have to shift.

Trust you? To what credible source are you? Please provide facts to your statement. As terms of performance they are very comparable regardless of your experiences or opinion facts are facts.

That's true but trap speed is pretty constant measure of power level. You can easily mess up your launch but your trap speed is a good indication at how fast your car is overall.

Not necessarily the truth. A Evo launches very well and has a decent trap speed. But what trap speed doesn't show is that the Evo is garbage above 80mph (as comparable to the 370z).

Trust you? To what credible source are you? Please provide facts to your statement. As terms of performance they are very comparable regardless of your experiences or opinion facts are facts.[/QUOTE]

Ak I hope this doesn't violate any rules but a 335i had 3 car lengths on me and I was still able to run him down at over 110mph.
As for the ZO6 I believe the guy was not use to the car and was also afraid of it. He is currently looking to replace it with a Porsche GT2 or GT3.

how many people would do a reflash and lose theirs on the 335? 335's are equipped with a smart ECU, it logs any and all modifications in power and whether or not its been tampered with. My First Sergeant drives one, and explained to me that his warranty was voided by the dealer when he took it in for routine maintenence. Why you ask? A reflash. And I believe someone stated before that you can just reset the ECU and info is gone forever right? wrong. The info is there for good. As a former G owner, I would think you would realize that the 370, in terms of performance, is the better buy. Seems to me like you've been bitten by the ol' G vs. Z bug. I too used to run my mouth to Z owners, then I test drove one, and determined that the 370 was just plain superior.

True. I guess that holds some truth to certain cars (i.e. Turbo AWD 4-Bangers)

Your run against the 335i is your experience. I consistently beat a STi (i/e) from a dig 3-4 times but I know that was all due to drivers error. I mean the times are there people have tested them we all know about them (370z,335i) and in terms of stock performance they are very comparable.

I guess that could happen, but his fear isn't going to go away with either of the cars he's going to replace it with haha.

E90post.com, do you have a calculator ready?

Ever heard of BT (Bavarian Technic) Tool it clears out any code that has been ran by the OBD2 therefore the dealership can not see if the ECU has been tampered with as long as you clear it out before going in and remove the piggyback (JB3, Procede).

Tell your Sergeant to look at this. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The dealership by law can not void warranty unless they can prove that a specific mod caused the problem (in your Sergeants case there was no problem). I had my warranty "voided" by Infiniti until I showed them this and told them I would take legal measures. Two months later and I have a brand new hand built longblock under warranty.

I am currently a G owner and just because Nissan/Infiniti shares the same engine doesn't mean there aren't any other cars that are better or comparable. I am a car enthusiast I see cars without the brands and in some cases with out the price (if someone decides to compare the two).

Hardly the case with the G vs. Z bug, matter of fact there are a good amount of Z's that are in the National G Club simply because they like hanging out with the older crowd now that 350's can be had by high schoolers (sadly to say the G too). By no means am I discrediting the Z but there are some comments in this thread that are clearly misinformed.

Also I do agree with you, you definitely get a whole lot of car for such a cheap price with the 370z. Between a new 370z and a new 335i its clear the 370z is the "better buy" but he's talking used. IMO, in this case the better buy would be determined only by the condition of the used 335i.

I can't comment on flashes, but I have yet to hear of a voided warranty on e90post because of this. On a side note, piggybacks are producing LOTS more whp than flashes are (no reason to go a flash route currently). With a BavTech tool you can erase all codes, including tamper codes.

I have decided. :ugh2:

I am going for the new 370z base + sports package.

basically new >>>> used

Had both the cars been new, I still would be conflicted because the 335i is $50k.

Had I needed the additional seats, luxury and comfort, I would have picked the 335i.

Both choices were very tempting and it was basically a good place to be.

Thanks for all the non-related discussions.
:tiphat:

Probably going to be a regular as soon as I pick her up. :happydance:

Congrats! In all honesty you couldn't go wrong on either choice and like you said it's based on your preference.

Actually if you look at the numbers the 335I is slower than the 370z, the 335i and 135i use the same engine and if the 370Z and 135i tie is just about everything but handling. then the heavier 335i would actually be slower. So if you want lux then go with 335i, if you want sport go with 370z, if you want a conbination with a little more lux and a little less sport then go with 135i.
I have driven both the 370Z and the 135i. Those were the two cars I was trying to choose from. Personally I like the drive, ride and sound of the sporty 370Z..

You forgot to add ugly :bowrofl:

OP: Congrats!

I used to think the 135's were fugly. But more and more people are modding them and they are starting to grow on me. Oh noes!

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/attac...1&d=1251128099

So, going by your comments, you would choose an inferior car purely because the service treatment is better.

A zed costs less than the 335 so depending on perspective you could put "more" money into it blow the doors of the 335 for less money.

Lol im 17 y/o

The 335's motor is EXTREMELY mod-able, and would take less money to go fast in general than the 370's would, being pre-boosted already. You should look into Grassroots Motorsports recent mag, where their new project car is a 335i. Goal? To meet or exceed the performance of a new M3 for less cash. They made VERY solid gains with cheap tuning software alone!

BMW 335i Coupe: Project Cars: Grassroots Motorsports Magazine

What i am saying is thsat since the z is quite a bit cheaper than the 335 you could spend a considerable amount of money on the z and still come out paying less than what you would for a new 335.

That point isn't valid other wise we would all be buying civic hatchbacks, foxbody's, or buick GN's and be the fastest car on the road with the cheapest amount of money put in.

If you still decide to think that way then what about a 135i? $35k, a direct competitor with the 370z ($32k for base/sport), and shares the same engine with the 335i and it would be much easier to make the 135i faster with much less money. You would need to speed close to $10,000 on the 370z in order to match a 135i with <$3000. See my point?

Ian, I've seen modded 135i's and while I do agree they are easier on the eyes they still don't do it for me. It's the headlights that does it for me, I can't stand looking at them :icon17:

Fair enough.

I agree the headlights are a sore spot.

Most people choose "said" car for several reasons, but a large part of it is price. So 99.9% of people are not going to drop 10k+ in mods (i know i wouldn't and couldn't).

But I see and understand your point.

If you plan on modding the car then yes I think the 135i would be the best way to go. I had a buddy of mine purchase the 135i put $800 into a new chip and now he is pushing like 400whp and 380 tq.

the op said he was getting a Z but i see in his pics he has a 335i, a different one than he posted that he got on the bmw forums though, lol...

I'm sorry ... but
VERY CONFLICTED: Conclusion - BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum - E90Post.com
this .. for Z?....:roflpuke2: