I just took out a 7AT for a ride...

kenchan · 09-17-2009, 07:21 PM

this is probably the first carguy(?) site that was so excited about AT's with torque converters....

MT for me.

Jason · 09-17-2009, 07:49 PM

it's 2009 and autos are superior to manuals now. understandably, people that dropped a lot of money on their cars or have sworn by manuals all their lives are afraid to accept it.

i would LOVE to see the proof or information (video, article, whatever), that shows or says a manual driver can shift/downshift in 300 milliseconds. sounds physically impossible to me... if the GTR shifts in 200 milliseconds, i find it hard to believe they would use an automatic (call it what you want but theres no clutch pedal - its auto) transmission, which im sure was significantly costlier to make than a manual for a 100 millisecond difference.

im not saying one is better than the other, everyone likes what they like. its just annoying to see people say that manual is more "fun" like it's some kind of fact... its not. i drove both and my opinion was obviously that the AT was more fun. heck, maybe i just like the paddles. lol.

Sardis · 09-17-2009, 08:20 PM

More "fun" is entirely subjective... More control the vehicle is not. If you have ever road raced, it's fairly simple to grasp

Here is Jason Plato comparing a Cayman S 6mt vs PDK.. Notice which laps faster..

Not a huge fan of auto's on sports cars, but they have came along way. I would no longer call them slush boxes for sure.

I will agree in F1 the sheer amount of sensors involved in driving and technology involved in those gearboxes will lend its self to faster laps with a sequential or auto of some sort box..

YouTube - Fifth Gear Cayman 6 Speed VS PDK

99.9999% of drivers are not going to be able to coax a manual box to beat a pdk esque box let alone a auto box around the track faster to be fair

bradz · 10-12-2009, 09:40 PM

Real man= MANUAL

ZkansasZ · 10-12-2009, 09:49 PM

dear god,
please some how ends the MT VS AT threads that I keep seeing all over the car sites!!!

oh and I am trying be nice for Christmas btw!

Modshack · 10-12-2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradz

Real man= MANUAL

Insecure men maybe.....

Trips · 10-12-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modshack

Insecure men maybe.....

keep it civil it's been that way so far.

Greg · 10-13-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

keep it civil it's been that way so far.

We can hope... But there hasn't been an AT or MT thread known to man.. That's stayed civil.. IBT (possible) L

Lug · 10-13-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Greg

We can hope... But there hasn't been an AT or MT thread known to man.. That's stayed civil.. IBT (possible) L

That's because the Auto/Manual guys are totally lazy/insecure! The Manual/Auto is much quicker/smoother! Only an IDIOT would choose the 6M/7AT over the 7AT/6M!

plus, all the cool guys open their eggs from the little end!

09-17-2009, 08:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sardis Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 72 Drives: EX Z Owner Rep Power: 18	More "fun" is entirely subjective... More control the vehicle is not. If you have ever road raced, it's fairly simple to grasp Here is Jason Plato comparing a Cayman S 6mt vs PDK.. Notice which laps faster.. Not a huge fan of auto's on sports cars, but they have came along way. I would no longer call them slush boxes for sure. I will agree in F1 the sheer amount of sensors involved in driving and technology involved in those gearboxes will lend its self to faster laps with a sequential or auto of some sort box.. YouTube - Fifth Gear Cayman 6 Speed VS PDK 99.9999% of drivers are not going to be able to coax a manual box to beat a pdk esque box let alone a auto box around the track faster to be fair __________________ "Because in a split second, it's gone." - Ayrton Senna

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09-17-2009, 07:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141522	this is probably the first carguy(?) site that was so excited about AT's with torque converters.... MT for me.

09-17-2009, 07:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jason Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 309 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 18	it's 2009 and autos are superior to manuals now. understandably, people that dropped a lot of money on their cars or have sworn by manuals all their lives are afraid to accept it. i would LOVE to see the proof or information (video, article, whatever), that shows or says a manual driver can shift/downshift in 300 milliseconds. sounds physically impossible to me... if the GTR shifts in 200 milliseconds, i find it hard to believe they would use an automatic (call it what you want but theres no clutch pedal - its auto) transmission, which im sure was significantly costlier to make than a manual for a 100 millisecond difference. im not saying one is better than the other, everyone likes what they like. its just annoying to see people say that manual is more "fun" like it's some kind of fact... its not. i drove both and my opinion was obviously that the AT was more fun. heck, maybe i just like the paddles. lol.

10-12-2009, 09:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
bradz Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pinellas County Florida Posts: 348 Drives: 09' 370z MB 6spd Rep Power: 18	Real man= MANUAL

10-12-2009, 09:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
ZkansasZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: www.my350z.com Posts: 31 Drives: Z Rep Power: 17	dear god, please some how ends the MT VS AT threads that I keep seeing all over the car sites!!! oh and I am trying be nice for Christmas btw!