I just took out a 7AT for a ride...

chief_Roka · 10-13-2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rudi

It doesn't take much to get comfortable with the paddles. When I drive my wife's auto, I'm always looking for the paddles. The only time I would drive the Z in auto is in heavy traffic.

Hey you guys forgot u can shift off the floor 2 right? Lol the poor stick is lonely cuz the paddles get all the attention.

theDreamer · 10-13-2009, 10:21 AM

/sigh

Do not argue trickle theory to me, in real world it is actually not true.
Yes, what they do will slowly move to other car manufactures, but at the same time Nissan still has to invest its own millions to make their own. Why? Because F1 owners are not going to just pass along the millions of dollars worth of plans to others.

Point of note, I almost bought the 7AT, only reason, I wanted to test SRM with a manual and I really want a double clutch before I jump on the auto/manual.

Lug · 10-13-2009, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

/sigh

Do not argue trickle theory to me, in real world it is actually not true.
Yes, what they do will slowly move to other car manufactures, but at the same time Nissan still has to invest its own millions to make their own. Why? Because F1 owners are not going to just pass along the millions of dollars worth of plans to others.

Point of note, I almost bought the 7AT, only reason, I wanted to test SRM with a manual and I really want a double clutch before I jump on the auto/manual.

FYI, Nissan already has a dual clutch tranny....it costs about $20,000.

theDreamer · 10-13-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

FYI, Nissan already has a dual clutch tranny....it costs about $20,000.

I guess I should add, I want the DCT in the Z, would love a GT-R but do not need that car at my age.

kannibul · 10-13-2009, 11:00 AM

OMG, my motorcycle has a sequential transmission - it must be F1/NHRA/NCAA trickle down! OMG!

rednek01 · 10-13-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

OMG, my motorcycle has a sequential transmission - it must be F1/NHRA/NCAA trickle down! OMG!

I think you just went up a notch in my book there bud Bravo!

Steven · 10-13-2009, 11:09 AM

eh, i just like the 6spd manual tranny. i dont care how many miliseconds who or what can shift. im a purist.. manual tranny on a sports car is a must.

but thats just me. get whatever floats "your" boat.

cpehaot · 10-13-2009, 04:05 PM

Nissan Z370 7-speed AT is awsome. BUT 6 speed MT is my choice because its a pain to find AT in 3rd world countries | EU. Nice to know how to drive manual.

True story, a buddy of mine said he could drive MT and wanted to drive my new Z

I was about to

and he looked in and asked "why you have 3 pedals?"

I realized his BMW Z4 was AT with manual shift option.

shabarivas · 10-13-2009, 06:19 PM

I mean there was a G35 which had a plenum spacer (5/16th) + a valve body upgrade which would run LOW 13s if not 12s - All it took was a huge stall RPM for the tq converter - I mean you can make the converter VERY efficient - but a manual is a manual. The only way you get faster than manual is if you have 2 clutches... case and point lol

kannibul · 10-13-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

I mean there was a G35 which had a plenum spacer (5/16th) + a valve body upgrade which would run LOW 13s if not 12s - All it took was a huge stall RPM for the tq converter - I mean you can make the converter VERY efficient - but a manual is a manual. The only way you get faster than manual is if you have 2 clutches... case and point lol

That reads like the Chuck Norris chin/fist joke.

MeetJoeAsian · 10-13-2009, 09:59 PM

Here's really the reason why I prefer to keep my 6MT over trading it for a 7AT, I love the fact that I control every factor of my car's shifting in a 6MT...with the 7AT, you press the button, and a computer decides what gear to put it into based on your input, and then it "electronically" selects the gear for you...I like the SMG transmission, where it IS a manual transmission, but you just have a pump clutching & putting it into gear for you...I guess for me, the feeling is different driving when you know that your gear mechanics are the place you want them to be, rather than having a computer holding the gear for you...

I would have been more inclined to get an automatic had it been a sequential-shifter ONLY...meaning, no option to put into full automatic (like the last generation of the Toyota MR2 sequential shifter)...in my head, I feel that if I have a full automatic that it's not meant to be shifted manually, and I would get into the habit of not shifting, and in the long run, I'm just gonna get rid of the car cuz the "fun" factor is gone, just like with my G35c...

kannibul · 10-13-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian

Here's really the reason why I prefer to keep my 6MT over trading it for a 7AT, I love the fact that I control every factor of my car's shifting in a 6MT...with the 7AT, you press the button, and a computer decides what gear to put it into based on your input, and then it "electronically" selects the gear for you...I like the SMG transmission, where it IS a manual transmission, but you just have a pump clutching & putting it into gear for you...I guess for me, the feeling is different driving when you know that your gear mechanics are the place you want them to be, rather than having a computer holding the gear for you...

I would have been more inclined to get an automatic had it been a sequential-shifter ONLY...meaning, no option to put into full automatic (like the last generation of the Toyota MR2 sequential shifter)...in my head, I feel that if I have a full automatic that it's not meant to be shifted manually, and I would get into the habit of not shifting, and in the long run, I'm just gonna get rid of the car cuz the "fun" factor is gone, just like with my G35c...

What are you talking about?

7AT changes to the next gear up or the next gear down *when* you tell it to - if you need to "skip" a gear, bump it twice...it does it.

The only exception is if it's in "auto" mode *and* you either flip it to manual, or bump the "-" paddle shifter, it'll drop from 7 to 5 when going down the highway, and I still will sometimes bump it twice to kick it to 4th and haul...if you bump the "+" paddle, it stays in 7th and you can back it down to 6th if you so desire, or pull over the stick at that point and it'll stay in 7th (I need to double check on moving the stick, though I know it will stay in 7th with the paddles and being in auto mode)

As for not being meant to - if that was the case, they wouldn't have made it so.

MeetJoeAsian · 10-13-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kannibul

What are you talking about?

7AT changes to the next gear up or the next gear down *when* you tell it to - if you need to "skip" a gear, bump it twice...it does it.

The only exception is if it's in "auto" mode *and* you either flip it to manual, or bump the "-" paddle shifter, it'll drop from 7 to 5 when going down the highway, and I still will sometimes bump it twice to kick it to 4th and haul...if you bump the "+" paddle, it stays in 7th and you can back it down to 6th if you so desire, or pull over the stick at that point and it'll stay in 7th (I need to double check on moving the stick, though I know it will stay in 7th with the paddles and being in auto mode)

As for not being meant to - if that was the case, they wouldn't have made it so.

The automatic in the 370Z is a fully automatic engine with sequential shifting to imitate a manual...whereas the SMG and F1s are true manuals with sequential shifting....and this is where the fun is differentiated

don't get me wrong, I'm NOT knocking 7AT vs 6MT...I think the sequential automatic shifter in the 7AT is great, but it's just still not a manual transmission...a manual transmission is true gear and clutch shifting, whereas in the 7AT, it's a computer electronically imitating a manual....it's a great car if you want the occasional controlled driving, but it's still an automatic...

kannibul · 10-14-2009, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MeetJoeAsian

The automatic in the 370Z is a fully automatic engine with sequential shifting to imitate a manual...whereas the SMG and F1s are true manuals with sequential shifting....and this is where the fun is differentiated

don't get me wrong, I'm NOT knocking 7AT vs 6MT...I think the sequential automatic shifter in the 7AT is great, but it's just still not a manual transmission...a manual transmission is true gear and clutch shifting, whereas in the 7AT, it's a computer electronically imitating a manual....it's a great car if you want the occasional controlled driving, but it's still an automatic...

Honestly, how is there a difference from an operational, driver's, point of view between this transmission and an F1 transmission?

Both involve user intervention to make the shift, ie, pressing a paddle (or button), to initiate the shift, in sequence.

Am I saying they perform equally, hell no, but from an "enthusiast" (controlled) driving perspective, how is it really all that different? In fact, I'd say the advantage would go here to the 7AT because you can keep both hands on the wheel and manage your transmission with a flick of a finger. It's not an automatic imitating a manual, it's an automatic imitating a dual-clutch sequential transmission (ie, fast shifts) in fact, you could look at it the other way and say that SRM is the 6MT imitating the 7AT...

Until this car and it's transmission came along, I'd agree with you, automatics were slushy and too focused on being "smooth" in shifting...this car is anything but. Even in "auto" mode, it's still pretty firm between shifts. Move it over to manual mode, and it WILL NOT shift short allowing the driver to kill the engine for forgetting to downshift.

stan618 · 10-13-2009, 10:52 PM

not knocking the 7AT but to compare the nissan 7AT to "autos" in Ferraris, GTRs, newer porsches, the new EVO, and F1 cars is a stretch as the 7AT is a conventional torque converter auto, where the "autos" of the other cars use a computer actuated clutch or dual clutch as in the PDK(porsche), DSG(audi) and nissan GTR.

not saying the 6MT is better than the 7AT, to me its personal preference. both make great sports cars.

10-13-2009, 10:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	/sigh Do not argue trickle theory to me, in real world it is actually not true. Yes, what they do will slowly move to other car manufactures, but at the same time Nissan still has to invest its own millions to make their own. Why? Because F1 owners are not going to just pass along the millions of dollars worth of plans to others. Point of note, I almost bought the 7AT, only reason, I wanted to test SRM with a manual and I really want a double clutch before I jump on the auto/manual. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

10-13-2009, 09:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
MeetJoeAsian Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 342 Drives: 350Z to G35c to 370Z Rep Power: 17	Here's really the reason why I prefer to keep my 6MT over trading it for a 7AT, I love the fact that I control every factor of my car's shifting in a 6MT...with the 7AT, you press the button, and a computer decides what gear to put it into based on your input, and then it "electronically" selects the gear for you...I like the SMG transmission, where it IS a manual transmission, but you just have a pump clutching & putting it into gear for you...I guess for me, the feeling is different driving when you know that your gear mechanics are the place you want them to be, rather than having a computer holding the gear for you... I would have been more inclined to get an automatic had it been a sequential-shifter ONLY...meaning, no option to put into full automatic (like the last generation of the Toyota MR2 sequential shifter)...in my head, I feel that if I have a full automatic that it's not meant to be shifted manually, and I would get into the habit of not shifting, and in the long run, I'm just gonna get rid of the car cuz the "fun" factor is gone, just like with my G35c... __________________ http://facebook.com/meetjoeasian

10-13-2009, 10:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
stan618 Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: los angeles Posts: 30 Drives: 09 370z manual sport Rep Power: 17	not knocking the 7AT but to compare the nissan 7AT to "autos" in Ferraris, GTRs, newer porsches, the new EVO, and F1 cars is a stretch as the 7AT is a conventional torque converter auto, where the "autos" of the other cars use a computer actuated clutch or dual clutch as in the PDK(porsche), DSG(audi) and nissan GTR. not saying the 6MT is better than the 7AT, to me its personal preference. both make great sports cars. __________________ 2009 370z pearl white 6 speed sport pkg

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10-13-2009, 11:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 268	OMG, my motorcycle has a sequential transmission - it must be F1/NHRA/NCAA trickle down! OMG!

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Steven Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Clear Lake, TX Posts: 130 Drives: 09 370Z M6 Rep Power: 16	eh, i just like the 6spd manual tranny. i dont care how many miliseconds who or what can shift. im a purist.. manual tranny on a sports car is a must. but thats just me. get whatever floats "your" boat.

10-13-2009, 04:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
cpehaot Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: California Posts: 46 Drives: Black STD Z370 Tour Rep Power: 17	Nissan Z370 7-speed AT is awsome. BUT 6 speed MT is my choice because its a pain to find AT in 3rd world countries \| EU. Nice to know how to drive manual. True story, a buddy of mine said he could drive MT and wanted to drive my new Z I was about to and he looked in and asked "why you have 3 pedals?" I realized his BMW Z4 was AT with manual shift option.

10-13-2009, 06:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 915	I mean there was a G35 which had a plenum spacer (5/16th) + a valve body upgrade which would run LOW 13s if not 12s - All it took was a huge stall RPM for the tq converter - I mean you can make the converter VERY efficient - but a manual is a manual. The only way you get faster than manual is if you have 2 clutches... case and point lol