I just took out a 7AT for a ride...

kannibul · 09-17-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DropTopGal

Of late, auto transmissions sure have been refined, particularly on sporty cars and mid to high end cars. As for performance, most autos can run with or even surpass the manual transmissions. After all, it is hard to beat a computer. Modern autos tend to be more durable than manuals and the power loss for the auto is negligible. The 6AT w/paddles on my IS350 is GREAT.

Granted, shifting with the 6MT is fun, but it can be a bit tedious day in and day out. Thanks for sharing your 7AT experience!

Knowing that the sport package comes with the LSD regardless of the transmission choice, the 7AT is certainly a good choice.

Yeah, the 7AT in the 370z blew my mind. I didn't think and Auto could be so "authorative"

As for durability - sorry, I can't agree with you there. Manuals are known for being rock solid - I mean what's better than metal gears turning against metal gears, vs hydralic valves and such that wear out?

Now, a clutch vs a torque converter, the TC will outlast any clutch, I know that...

Red370 · 09-17-2009, 05:59 PM

if I would have bought an Automatic, my Z Club buddies would have never let me live it down, not a deciding factor by any means, but the auto just didnt feel like a sports car to me. To each their own I suppose.

shumby · 09-17-2009, 06:20 PM

was waiting to see how long it would take to turn into a " MT is the only real car"thread.

Trips · 09-17-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shumby

was waiting to see how long it would take to turn into a " MT is the only real car"thread.

I enjoy the 7A in my daily bumper to bumper comute here in LA! and I hope your wait is long Shumby will see who blows it!

shabarivas · 09-17-2009, 06:24 PM

it already has! lol

rudi · 09-17-2009, 06:34 PM

I've driven a manual all my life and thought I would never get an auto in a sports car ever. However, my wife convinced me to try the Z in an auto as a compromise for here as she is more comfortable with it. As it turns out, I am amazed how good the auto is in manual mode. I will never go back to a manual. When I'm ready for a new car the autos will be even better.

chris410 · 09-17-2009, 06:34 PM

I think all the autos have the rev-sync, I have a touring and mine blips on downshifts. Not the usual small blip, it matches the revs to perfection.

kenchan · 09-17-2009, 07:21 PM

this is probably the first carguy(?) site that was so excited about AT's with torque converters....

MT for me.

Jason · 09-17-2009, 07:49 PM

it's 2009 and autos are superior to manuals now. understandably, people that dropped a lot of money on their cars or have sworn by manuals all their lives are afraid to accept it.

i would LOVE to see the proof or information (video, article, whatever), that shows or says a manual driver can shift/downshift in 300 milliseconds. sounds physically impossible to me... if the GTR shifts in 200 milliseconds, i find it hard to believe they would use an automatic (call it what you want but theres no clutch pedal - its auto) transmission, which im sure was significantly costlier to make than a manual for a 100 millisecond difference.

im not saying one is better than the other, everyone likes what they like. its just annoying to see people say that manual is more "fun" like it's some kind of fact... its not. i drove both and my opinion was obviously that the AT was more fun. heck, maybe i just like the paddles. lol.

Sardis · 09-17-2009, 08:20 PM

More "fun" is entirely subjective... More control the vehicle is not. If you have ever road raced, it's fairly simple to grasp

Here is Jason Plato comparing a Cayman S 6mt vs PDK.. Notice which laps faster..

Not a huge fan of auto's on sports cars, but they have came along way. I would no longer call them slush boxes for sure.

I will agree in F1 the sheer amount of sensors involved in driving and technology involved in those gearboxes will lend its self to faster laps with a sequential or auto of some sort box..

YouTube - Fifth Gear Cayman 6 Speed VS PDK

99.9999% of drivers are not going to be able to coax a manual box to beat a pdk esque box let alone a auto box around the track faster to be fair

bradz · 10-12-2009, 09:40 PM

Real man= MANUAL

ZkansasZ · 10-12-2009, 09:49 PM

dear god,
please some how ends the MT VS AT threads that I keep seeing all over the car sites!!!

oh and I am trying be nice for Christmas btw!

Modshack · 10-12-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bradz

Real man= MANUAL

Insecure men maybe.....

Trips · 10-12-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Insecure men maybe.....

keep it civil it's been that way so far.

chris410 · 09-17-2009, 08:23 PM

...if someone enjoys manual go for it...to say an auto is not fun is simply silly.

To add to it...put the auto in manual mode and you now have two ways to shift VS manual you have no option other than shift. Either one is a blast so the choice should match preference. Although, on the street the auto does hold the advantage since it hooks up better than the manual hence the slightly faster times we keep seeing.

09-17-2009, 06:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	was waiting to see how long it would take to turn into a " MT is the only real car"thread. __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

09-17-2009, 06:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 17	I think all the autos have the rev-sync, I have a touring and mine blips on downshifts. Not the usual small blip, it matches the revs to perfection. __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

09-17-2009, 08:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sardis Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 72 Drives: EX Z Owner Rep Power: 17	More "fun" is entirely subjective... More control the vehicle is not. If you have ever road raced, it's fairly simple to grasp Here is Jason Plato comparing a Cayman S 6mt vs PDK.. Notice which laps faster.. Not a huge fan of auto's on sports cars, but they have came along way. I would no longer call them slush boxes for sure. I will agree in F1 the sheer amount of sensors involved in driving and technology involved in those gearboxes will lend its self to faster laps with a sequential or auto of some sort box.. YouTube - Fifth Gear Cayman 6 Speed VS PDK 99.9999% of drivers are not going to be able to coax a manual box to beat a pdk esque box let alone a auto box around the track faster to be fair __________________ "Because in a split second, it's gone." - Ayrton Senna

09-17-2009, 08:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 17	...if someone enjoys manual go for it...to say an auto is not fun is simply silly. To add to it...put the auto in manual mode and you now have two ways to shift VS manual you have no option other than shift. Either one is a blast so the choice should match preference. Although, on the street the auto does hold the advantage since it hooks up better than the manual hence the slightly faster times we keep seeing. __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

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Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 297	if I would have bought an Automatic, my Z Club buddies would have never let me live it down, not a deciding factor by any means, but the auto just didnt feel like a sports car to me. To each their own I suppose.

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shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 915	it already has! lol

09-17-2009, 06:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
rudi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 306 Drives: 370Z Australian Spec Rep Power: 17	I've driven a manual all my life and thought I would never get an auto in a sports car ever. However, my wife convinced me to try the Z in an auto as a compromise for here as she is more comfortable with it. As it turns out, I am amazed how good the auto is in manual mode. I will never go back to a manual. When I'm ready for a new car the autos will be even better.

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	this is probably the first carguy(?) site that was so excited about AT's with torque converters.... MT for me.

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Jason Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 309 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 17	it's 2009 and autos are superior to manuals now. understandably, people that dropped a lot of money on their cars or have sworn by manuals all their lives are afraid to accept it. i would LOVE to see the proof or information (video, article, whatever), that shows or says a manual driver can shift/downshift in 300 milliseconds. sounds physically impossible to me... if the GTR shifts in 200 milliseconds, i find it hard to believe they would use an automatic (call it what you want but theres no clutch pedal - its auto) transmission, which im sure was significantly costlier to make than a manual for a 100 millisecond difference. im not saying one is better than the other, everyone likes what they like. its just annoying to see people say that manual is more "fun" like it's some kind of fact... its not. i drove both and my opinion was obviously that the AT was more fun. heck, maybe i just like the paddles. lol.

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ZkansasZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: www.my350z.com Posts: 31 Drives: Z Rep Power: 16	dear god, please some how ends the MT VS AT threads that I keep seeing all over the car sites!!! oh and I am trying be nice for Christmas btw!