Remember, if the other car is faster than yours, it must only be good in a straight line and yours handles far better.

The twins kick *** in autox. This past summer a brz had 2 secs on me pretty much every event. Then I looked closer and it turns out he was running on 18x9 wheels with hossier a6 tires. Fail!!! I was still on my year old advans. But with anything the more you mod the faster it will go.

I tested the FR-S. What a slow-*** ricey little POS!:roflpuke2:

Even if it had 300hp in 5 years it would still look like a reject from a Fast and Furious movie and have an interior that came out of a cereal box...

At least with Zs (and Mustangs) you get a good looking car that has some balls.

Yup. I have a friend that has done just that. Oh and you gotta stop it and turn it as well and get that power to the ground. So you have to boost all the rest. Ultimately he paid way more for his FRS than I did for the Z. But you know, sometimes the fun is the way you get there.

I would not, I read the FR-S is made by Fisher Price

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Yep the Z06 sucks in the corners. Same with the GTR. Fast as f*ck but if you try to take a turn with a GTR your screwed.

I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER trade the Z for a FR-S the whole point of changing cars is to upgrade inmho unless you are having financial issues, that being said the FR-S is a good car but comparing it to the Z is just putting our cars down the Z deserves more recognition.

I troll those FRS forums quite a bit. The owners, well they are enthusiastic to say the least. Most think their car is Gods answer to 4 wheel transportation and nothing is better. I embellish but just a bit. Not that the Z is the end all either. There are much better cars out there. I just cant afford them, lol. Needless to say, I test drove a few, thrashed the hell out of them, drove one at Sebring. Are they fun to throw around? Yep? Is the Z fun to throw around? Is the Z faster by a huge margin in every possible way? Yep. Yep. With about $3000 price difference from a Z, that GT86 platform is woe-fully bad. The GT86 is a teenagers car, impossible to take serious. And if youre worried about gas..what, $30, $40-$50 a month difference, dont come looking at Z's. On a side note my wifes Volvo S60 destroys the FRS in a straight line, its hilarious.

Edit: Heres a quote from one of their members...tell me whats wrong.


"Isn't an E92 M3 more of a muscle car? The BRZ should be closer in characteristics to an E30 (a chassis experience)."

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Again, it's faster, so it obviously doesn't handle as well. What the FRS/BRZ guys are failing to realize is the fact that any car feels like it handles well when it's moving slowly. :rofl2:

Isn't this thread kind of doing the same thing as the one over there? I've got no problems with the FRS/BRZ. It's pushing automakers to make more lightwieght rwd cars. How is that a bad thing? Would I buy one? Sure, in a few years when you can get a solid used one for under $15k. It would be a fun little daily driver that gets good gas mileage and is fun to drive within the speed limit. Would I buy one new for $27k? Hell no.

And thats my whole point of contention, the price point is so damn far off for what you get. Its a slower, RWD Civic, nothing more.

Things just cost more these days. A Civic SI starts at $23k. So you're paying a $4k premium for rwd and the fact that, while not as nice as the Z the $27k BRZ is a hell of a lot nicer inside than a Civic. It also has a touch more power.

A Miata with similar equipment comes in around the same price, and it's down 30+hp.

In hindsight, the 1994 240sx (a car I think the BRZ is very close to in terms of features and driving dynamics, although it only had 155hp) cost $21,789 MSRP not adjusted for inflation and currency. I don't think the BRZ is as egregiously mispriced as most. I can see why someone would pay $27k for one, I just wouldn't do it.

Im busy at work and on a call and will google but doesnt the civic si have 200hp and the FRS like 197?

200 for the FRS/BRZ, 201 for the civic. My mistake thinking it had less. So basically a $4k upcharge for RWD and slightly better amenities. Honestly, $4k would be worth it to me to get the proper drivetrain layout.

Embarassingly enough, the Honda has more torque at a lower rpm. A Honda has more torque. :rofl2: I still think the FRS would be a bit faster off the line just because of weight transfer.

And $27k is for the better equipped BRZ, right? The Scion is $2k or so cheaper?

yah, i hear toyota even dropped subaru due to the mis-calculated drivetrain cost on the brz/frs. was suppose to be like a max $25K otd car. some sort of nasty divorse going on in the background.

Can someone post this thread to the FR-S forum?

Well, you put it like that, i agree. LOL. I still wouldnt buy either let alone an 86 over a Z. Not to thumb my nose up, but the Civic crowd, FRS, Miata stuff, is at least a class level below a Z. Theres nothing WRONG with that, its necessary in fact, so cross shopping an 86 with a 370 is like cross shopping a 370 with a C7. Pointless if you dont/cant pony up.

OMG, theyre gonna get their panties in a bunch!!!! I would but ive been banned. Twice. :rofl2:

Ive been hearing that buzz too over the 86 forum, didnt really read too much into it though.

Right, these two vehicles have little in common beyond drivetrain layout. The fact that we waste so much time here discussing them is hilarious. If I were in the market for a Civic SI, I'd probably buy a BRZ. If I were in the market for a proper sports car, it wouldn't even make the list of cars to test drive. That doesn't change the fact I'm glad it is made, and I'm glad it sells. It brought back a market segment that had all but disappeared.

A buddy of mine builds show cars for a living, and he has a BRZ he's probably dumped $25k into between the supercharger kit, wheels, tires, interior, etc. It looks fantastic for a show car. It also made 250whp. :facepalm: I'll bet it's a hoot to drive, but the $/hp curve doesn't work buying one new. A $10k beater in a few years to thrash on track? Yes please.

I agree with it being a nice used beater or daily, but idk how well with that pan out now that it has DI and apparently a lot of issues w/ engines failing.

Nothing I've read has mentioned anything about "a lot" of motors failing. There's been a few, and the DI FA20 was an all-new motor. There were a lot of VQ37s replaced under warranty in 2009 as well, and I wouldn't shy away from a used 370.

Again, agreed. We discuss because, well, we like cars, and its fun :tup:

Of course. It's the hate some show that baffles me. I understand why they compare their BRS/FRS to a Z, but I have no idea why we compare down. :rofl2:

Plus, if the BRZ/FRS caused Nissan to start working on the IDX, doesn't that mean moving the Z down-market to compete with the twins is a lot less likely? Shouldn't we be rooting for the twins then?

Yea ur probably right again, vocal minority complaining again.

I've been on frs forums and apparently there are a lot of engine failures especially at the track attributed directly to the DI system.

My friends fr-s has this wierd cricket chirping noise from the DI system, really loud with the windows down at a stop light, sounds like a beat up 200k mile hooptie.

Z's like your oldskool sports car. :D

Fixed: No, the engine IS a failure

You Aristotle guys and your Venn diagrams. :bowrofl:

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talk about a double take

Actually Test drove a FR-S before test driving my Z and there is a world of difference. I wouldn't trade 370 for FR-S. IMO it reminded me of my other car I own (06 RSX-S) except just RWD meaning I didn't feel like it was a upgrade. The only things IMO I can give FR-S over Z is it has backseats (even if virtually unusable lol) and I do like how FR-S looks overall slightly more. But Again it's soooo underpowered. But that's just my 2 cents.

Nothing an Amuse kit can't change.

This is true :tup:

this thread is stupid..

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Finally, a voice of reason.