Nismo Vs. Non-Nismo

shabarivas · 09-18-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

Unfortunately, that's not a reality for the target-market of this car. These cars are laughably financed to the till, evident from the many "How much did you put down?" threads. The NISMO's $40K price is stretched out over 5 years, where as the cost of after-market parts of the $Δ between the models will have to be paid in cash immediately after purchase (I want to assume that people are not retarded enough to finance mods

). Not all that feasible when it seems as though a $5K down-payment is hard to come by for some.

Besides, the whole "Buy a lesser model and mod it to be better" argument is lame for any car.

Well thats not it is it? Its the same car w/ a body kit + some go fast mods + springs... which I can do as well... Its not like the 350z which was an entirely different animal between the Nismo and regular ones... The seam welded chassis... etc etc... but now - it literally IS a body kit + exhuast + different coils + wheels.... which I CAN do...

And if you are retarded enough to pay the 40k for a nismo... then why not 33k + 7k in mods lol... its all the same...

And Yes people do finance mods... not I ... but people do it all the time...

chief_Roka · 09-18-2009, 11:21 AM

For the money... u can do so much better in the aftermarket.
Base+sprt 33k. Nismo 39k. That's 6grand.

Eibach pro lines n sways. $800 installed. (Will probably ad .01g)
Intake+exh+headers+hfc. $2k. (You would have 26hp=9more thn nismo)
Oil+diff+p.s. + tran cooler. $1.5k (optimum perf)
Carb fiber hood+diffuser. $1.1k. (Reduce 40+lbs)
Ecu prog. $800. (8100rpm will give u better gear2power ratios than 7400)

The numbers come out a lil more than the cost of a NISMO with parts installed.
Honestly its so much more bang for your buck in the long run. You'd be guaranteed better track times in your modded nissan than nismo.
You will be missing the bodykit and rims for the money but, whatever u decide to put on l8r is your own idea of hotness... not some nissan marketer tryin to take your money.

Imho nismo isn't worth it yet. Maybe a refresh in 2011/12 will make the NISMO worthy

Outrun · 09-18-2009, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

Well thats not it is it? Its the same car w/ a body kit + some go fast mods + springs... which I can do as well... Its not like the 350z which was an entirely different animal between the Nismo and regular ones... The seam welded chassis... etc etc... but now - it literally IS a body kit + exhuast + different coils + wheels.... which I CAN do...

And if you are retarded enough to pay the 40k for a nismo... then why not 33k + 7k in mods lol... its all the same...

And Yes people do finance mods... not I ... but people do it all the time...

I wouldn't pay 40k for a nismo either. You can get them for less.

And let's keep the cheap shots out of your posts shall we?

NIZMOZ · 09-19-2009, 10:31 PM

On a 370z probably so. But that was proven wrong on the 350z NISMO as it still beat people that were slammed with lots of aftermarket suspension stuff. It's all about the tuning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chief_Roka

For the money... u can do so much better in the aftermarket.
Base+sprt 33k. Nismo 39k. That's 6grand.

Eibach pro lines n sways. $800 installed. (Will probably ad .01g)
Intake+exh+headers+hfc. $2k. (You would have 26hp=9more thn nismo)
Oil+diff+p.s. + tran cooler. $1.5k (optimum perf)
Carb fiber hood+diffuser. $1.1k. (Reduce 40+lbs)
Ecu prog. $800. (8100rpm will give u better gear2power ratios than 7400)

The numbers come out a lil more than the cost of a NISMO with parts installed.
Honestly its so much more bang for your buck in the long run. You'd be guaranteed better track times in your modded nissan than nismo.
You will be missing the bodykit and rims for the money but, whatever u decide to put on l8r is your own idea of hotness... not some nissan marketer tryin to take your money.

Imho nismo isn't worth it yet. Maybe a refresh in 2011/12 will make the NISMO worthy

MightyBobo · 09-19-2009, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chief_Roka

For the money... u can do so much better in the aftermarket.
Base+sprt 33k. Nismo 39k. That's 6grand.

Eibach pro lines n sways. $800 installed. (Will probably ad .01g)
Intake+exh+headers+hfc. $2k. (You would have 26hp=9more thn nismo)
Oil+diff+p.s. + tran cooler. $1.5k (optimum perf)
Carb fiber hood+diffuser. $1.1k. (Reduce 40+lbs)
Ecu prog. $800. (8100rpm will give u better gear2power ratios than 7400)

The numbers come out a lil more than the cost of a NISMO with parts installed.
Honestly its so much more bang for your buck in the long run. You'd be guaranteed better track times in your modded nissan than nismo.
You will be missing the bodykit and rims for the money but, whatever u decide to put on l8r is your own idea of hotness... not some nissan marketer tryin to take your money.

Imho nismo isn't worth it yet. Maybe a refresh in 2011/12 will make the NISMO worthy

People still consider Eibach springs as a solid upgrade, when you could get a good coil over setup for not much more? Show me one person on this board actually tracking their car with Eibachs...

Not to mention your horsepower numbers - people with those intake/exhaust mods are putting down numbers north of 300 on MUSTANG dynos. Seeing as 370's in stock form dyno right around 255 on a Mustang dyno...where the hell did you get 26HP from? That's far closer to 60-70 crank horsepower...not 26.

You honestly think a carbon fiber hood is going to save 40lbs over the stock aluminum hood?

speedoflife · 09-19-2009, 11:03 PM

IL Track Tested: 2009 Nissan Nismo 370Z vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Touring | Straightline Blog on Edmunds' Inside Line

Mike · 09-19-2009, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

People still consider Eibach springs as a solid upgrade, when you could get a good coil over setup for not much more? Show me one person on this board actually tracking their car with Eibachs...

Eibachs are about $250, a coilover set is a lot more than that. And I am one person on this board actually tracking with eibachs.

MightyBobo · 09-20-2009, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Eibachs are about $250, a coilover set is a lot more than that. And I am one person on this board actually tracking with eibachs.

True. For some reason I looked at the price he listed and was thinking springs only.

Do you Auto-X only? Road course? Maybe I should put it this way - is there anyone who would actually consider Eibachs to be even REMOTELY comparable, performance wise, to a quality coil over setup? After doing my suspension once already (in my Camaro), I will never again do it again without making sure I invest in a quality setup first. Not that I didn't go with one that time (I used Bilstein re-valves and some custom rate springs), but I know enough that for the effort and time it took to do it, you may as well do it right the first time.

cab83_750 · 09-20-2009, 03:20 AM

If I had the $10,000.00, I would buy it in a heartbeat. If you like it buy it. Some people settle for a Subaru, a Porsche, a Corvette, whatever.

I believe that most of us here, especially me, are already stretched at Z we purchased; thus we might tend to issue some cheap shots at the Nismo.

Mike · 09-20-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

True. For some reason I looked at the price he listed and was thinking springs only.

Do you Auto-X only? Road course? Maybe I should put it this way - is there anyone who would actually consider Eibachs to be even REMOTELY comparable, performance wise, to a quality coil over setup? After doing my suspension once already (in my Camaro), I will never again do it again without making sure I invest in a quality setup first. Not that I didn't go with one that time (I used Bilstein re-valves and some custom rate springs), but I know enough that for the effort and time it took to do it, you may as well do it right the first time.

Road course, exclusively. I was very happy with my eibach/cusco sways on the 350 with tokico shocks.. Bilstein shocks on the corvettes z51 suspension and should be happy with my eibach springs and sways on the 370. I've never had coilovers on any car

chief_Roka · 09-20-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeD

A perfect example of what to do with for a high-performance, track-oriented model should be taken from GM with the base C5 versus the C5 Z06. I'll use the last 2004 model-year, for instance...the Z06 had an MSRP starting at $8,350 more than the base Coupe, slightly less than the $9,200 $Δ between the base 370Z and the NISMO. I know people are gonna say I should compare it to the 370 Sport but that makes no sense, plus I'm comparing the Z06 to the base C5, not the Z51 (an option-package similar to what Sport offers for the 370Z).

For the extra $8,350 for the Z06, you got:

55 more HP (LS6 engine, but fundamentally the same as the LS1)
Upgraded suspension (springs, shocks, sway-bars)
Revised gearing
Larger wheels/tires
Significant weight-savings (titanium exhaust, thinner glass, less sound-deadening)
Upgraded brakes
Functional brake cooling-ducts
Slightly different but not all that much better seats (like the NISMO)
A prettier looking tachometer (again, like the NISMO)

What you ended up with was a car that was significantly faster and handled much better than the base-model, making it one of the fastest cars you could buy on a track. There was absolutely no question about the performance benefits of the Z06 vs. the base as it was night-and-day...not so much with the NISMO.

The funny thing is, you have comparisons of different models such as this on every given forum, and the higher-end camp laughs it off saying the people defending the base-model are just bitter and/or couldn't afford the step up and/or are contriving excuses to justify their purchase when they secretly want the better version. I don't feel this is the case here with the 370Z Sport vs. NISMO. For the same price as the NISMO, it's foolish not to go with a fully-loaded Sport/Touring/Nav Z.

As stated...Nissan really dropped the ball on this one. All you're paying for is a body-kit, and a tacky looking one at that.

The only difference between the 2 though is.
The vette is a great car but when u look at what u get vs price...
A base corvette is about 10k overpriced IMHO.
So to make the Z06 an expensive package as well wouldn't be very smart.
The base price of the vette is set on its heritage. Not features vs. Price.
As being the oldest and best "american" sports car it pretty much has a pricing advantage to jack up its worth jus cuz.
The only reason they hav the package priced that low is cuz everyone who bought the base only already bought that package n then some. They just don't have the luxury of having it on there car. Then chevy turns around and makes a low price sport package on the arm of base buyers.
The NISMO is not worth it. I jus think the vette is a bad comparison.

Trips · 09-20-2009, 10:58 AM

Interesting posts my opinion the on the Eibachs are they are an alternative to the more expensive coilovers, you can track with the Eibachs but there is no fine tuning as there is with the coilovers.

GingaBreadMan · 09-20-2009, 11:27 AM

I think you guys are missing the point. This is the first time a Nismo was introduced at the beginning of a new model. They are going to get all the suckers to get the lame Nismo version and then in about 2 or 3yrs they will put out a monster version of the Nismo. Nissan plan is a genius. Lol. By the way, I was just at the dealer to get touch-up paint and I saw a Nismo in the same color as my car (silver). I had liked the way it looked in photos, but in person it is ugly as hell. Imo it's too long and the bodykit is not impressive. Sport package looks the best. Exhaust did look nice though.

Mike · 09-20-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Triple's

Interesting posts my opinion the on the Eibachs are they are an alternative to the more expensive coilovers, you can track with the Eibachs but there is no fine tuning as there is with the coilovers.

Which keeps me from totally screwing everything up. I don't like having too much adjustability, I prefer something pre-engineered to work right out of the box. If I were to get coilovers, I would probably go for the nismo type setup with no adjustability.

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chief_Roka Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: BKLYN,NY/DFW,TX Posts: 166 Drives: '10 370z7at B.C. Rep Power: 15	For the money... u can do so much better in the aftermarket. Base+sprt 33k. Nismo 39k. That's 6grand. Eibach pro lines n sways. $800 installed. (Will probably ad .01g) Intake+exh+headers+hfc. $2k. (You would have 26hp=9more thn nismo) Oil+diff+p.s. + tran cooler. $1.5k (optimum perf) Carb fiber hood+diffuser. $1.1k. (Reduce 40+lbs) Ecu prog. $800. (8100rpm will give u better gear2power ratios than 7400) The numbers come out a lil more than the cost of a NISMO with parts installed. Honestly its so much more bang for your buck in the long run. You'd be guaranteed better track times in your modded nissan than nismo. You will be missing the bodykit and rims for the money but, whatever u decide to put on l8r is your own idea of hotness... not some nissan marketer tryin to take your money. Imho nismo isn't worth it yet. Maybe a refresh in 2011/12 will make the NISMO worthy

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cab83_750 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 887 Drives: 09 NISSAN 370Z Rep Power: 417	If I had the $10,000.00, I would buy it in a heartbeat. If you like it buy it. Some people settle for a Subaru, a Porsche, a Corvette, whatever. I believe that most of us here, especially me, are already stretched at Z we purchased; thus we might tend to issue some cheap shots at the Nismo.