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brucelidat 01-20-2014 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VCuomo (Post 2659677)
From the Jalopnik article link (emphasis added by me):

:( Sigh...

This is pretty much generally acknowledged fact now that ti will be a smaller turbo'ed engine. It'll probably be a 4 but people are hoping (however unlikely) that it'll be a smaller 6.

cheshirecat 01-20-2014 07:49 PM

IMO, we are going to see the Z branded as just that... the "Nissan Z". No numbers, just the "Z", just like how it exists on Nissan's website now. The 370 will be the last numbered Z for quite a while, as numbers for the model get harder and harder to correspond with displacement, see Mercedes and BMW, for instance, as both have started using the numbers as illustration for power relative power levels within the line or as throwbacks to iconic platforms in the past.

Nissan knows one thing for sure- the Z's heritage has always been about "bang for your buck". It may not be the fastest, it may not be the best handling, but it's damn near the top for half of what you would pay for the #1 contender, and that's more than enough for the majority of consumers out there who are looking for a performance coupe.

That means smaller, lighter, and more efficient. Ultimately, it should mean some exciting times for us ahead.

Eclipz 01-20-2014 09:11 PM

This was in the Jalopnik thread, and I found it quite funny.

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/19d5.../ku-medium.jpg

/Angelo350Z/ 01-20-2014 09:19 PM

:icon18:

It better have a manual transmission!

Redglare 01-20-2014 09:52 PM

porsche is phasing out manual, nissan is surely going to phase it out soon.

7speed 01-21-2014 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Masterbeatty (Post 2659537)
The 2.5 four cylinder makes the most sense. Nissan already has the qr25det in the juke. Maybe they were using that to test the engine and then tweek it alittle for the next Z.

Juke has only 1.6

Maybe they will offer 2 different engines like most of the sports cars it wants to compete with. That would also separate nismo vs base. They may do turbo 4 and turbo 6. But I see the vq37 as dead.

Firebase99 01-21-2014 07:09 AM

I think the turbo four and basically the entire Q50, squished down will be the options. Either way the MOST expensive base model SHOULD not exceed $32K. Unless the its a Nismo, than three models. Fecking car prices are crazy. I have zero interest in a $48K Z.

Firebase99 01-21-2014 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2659609)
Just wanted to remind everyone I get 13-15 mpg city. That's worse than a v8.

How?? Do you have a fuel leak? I drive like a lunatic pretty much ALL the time and am in some pretty bad commute traffic, just sitting there, making noise and I STILL get 22....

Chuck33079 01-21-2014 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2659609)
Just wanted to remind everyone I get 13-15 mpg city. That's worse than a v8.

Dammit, the ban expired and the first thing he does is come back with the same old complaints. Dude, there is something wrong with your car if you get that kind of gas mileage. I don't actually think you get that kind of gas mileage. I think you make up complaints because you leased more car than you can afford, and now you're car-poor and miserable and taking it out on the car.

Firebase99 01-21-2014 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2660245)
Dammit, the ban expired and the first thing he does is come back with the same old complaints. Dude, there is something wrong with your car if you get that kind of gas mileage. I don't actually think you get that kind of gas mileage. I think you make up complaints because you leased more car than you can afford, and now you're car-poor and miserable and taking it out on the car.

Ahhhh....so this is documented. LOL! :stirthepot:

Chuck33079 01-21-2014 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2660289)
Ahhhh....so this is documented. LOL! :stirthepot:

He's got a long history of being unpleasant. We just can't figure out why someone who hates a car as much as he claims to would spend as much time as he does on the forum for that car. It makes no sense unless his life is just that empty and meaningless.

Alstann 01-21-2014 11:22 AM

A while ago, we were speculating that Nissan would be collaborating with Mercedes-Benz on engines, no? I'm curious if this is still true.

shawnski 01-21-2014 11:24 AM

how about just quit making the Z so our resale value go up!!

cheshirecat 01-21-2014 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Alstann (Post 2660625)
A while ago, we were speculating that Nissan would be collaborating with Mercedes-Benz on engines, no? I'm curious if this is still true.

They've had a partnership since 2010 with confirmed engineering and parts collaboration since 2013.
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2013...ype=blogs&_r=0

Justice97 01-21-2014 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shawnski (Post 2660629)
how about just quit making the Z so our resale value go up!!

Would not bother me one bit if they did.

ElVee 01-21-2014 12:47 PM

As long as it's not straight automatic, I'm thrilled. Give me *some* control over the shifting, and I'm a happy, engaged-when-I-want-to-be driver.

my2004Z 01-21-2014 01:43 PM

I hope it has some sort of hybrid element to it. A 300 hp, 4 cylinder turbo with an extra 100 electric ft/lbs on tap all in a sub 3,000 lb sexy package is what I am expecting to happen.

Z_ealot 01-21-2014 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnski (Post 2660629)
how about just quit making the Z so our resale value go up!!


:gtfo2:

Duc_Z09 01-21-2014 02:08 PM

Ugh, Nissan please please PLEASE stay away from a boosted 4 cylinder platform! If you want to build a Miata that's fine, but leave the Z out of it.:gtfo2:

I chose my Nismo over the more powerful Ford Mustang 5.0 and SS Camaro because it was/is a better overall package IMO. Squeeze out 50 more hp (preferably NA, but low psi SC would be cool too) and it would be absolutely perfect.:driving:

Not sure why people are talking about the Subaru/Toyota/Scion thing in the same conversation... different price point and entirely different performance level. Has anyone driven one? I have, and that thing is gutless!:supergay:

ajc1884 01-21-2014 02:41 PM

When will we hear an an official announcement pertaining to the 2015 z? Does anyone know what month the 2014 Z was made available/announced? Maybe that will give us a clue.

Come on Nissan!!! Get it together!!!!!

Z_ealot 01-21-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ajc1884 (Post 2660896)
When will we hear an an official announcement pertaining to the 2015 z? Does anyone know what month the 2014 Z was made available/announced? Maybe that will give us a clue.

Come on Nissan!!! Get it together!!!!!

2014Z went on sale in august of 2013...i dont think we should be expecting a new Z for at least another year or 2 the way things are looking...heck for all we know nissan could be looking to launch the next Z and iDX back to back, i know i have already seen the NISMO division putting up a poll on facebook asking what everyone would want to see powertrain wise in the iDX NISMO

/Angelo350Z/ 01-21-2014 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Duc_Z09 (Post 2660843)
Ugh, Nissan please please PLEASE stay away from a boosted 4 cylinder platform! If you want to build a Miata that's fine, but leave the Z out of it.:gtfo2:

I chose my Nismo over the more powerful Ford Mustang 5.0 and SS Camaro because it was/is a better overall package IMO. Squeeze out 50 more hp (preferably NA, but low psi SC would be cool too) and it would be absolutely perfect.:driving:

Not sure why people are talking about the Subaru/Toyota/Scion thing in the same conversation... different price point and entirely different performance level. Has anyone driven one? I have, and that thing is gutless!:supergay:

Agreed. I'm all about progress, but I think using a 4 cylinder for improved fuel economy and weight savings is a step in the wrong direction. Does anyone really buy a sports car for practicality and fuel efficiency? If Nissan wants to reduce weight, do it the conventional, though more expensive way and take it out on the body. I would prefer not to see a Z car in the next few years than a Z35 with a 4 cylinder.

And yes, please stop talking about the BRZ/FR-S, let the IDx worry about them.

Justice97 01-21-2014 05:00 PM

I would rather see the Z become a power house sports car and sell for 50k than become a "gas saver."
I will never buy another Z if they don't offer a six.

not the future I wanted for Z

jlo370z 01-21-2014 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97 (Post 2661045)
I would rather see the Z become a power house sports car and sell for 50k than become a "gas saver."
I will never buy another Z if they don't offer a six.

not the future I wanted for Z


I see a GTR or Corvette in my future

/Angelo350Z/ 01-21-2014 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice97 (Post 2661045)
I would rather see the Z become a power house sports car and sell for 50k than become a "gas saver."
I will never buy another Z if they don't offer a six.

not the future I wanted for Z

I think the Z should move up in price and performance. Leave the $30K/$40 K segment to the STi, Evo, and possibly next Silvia. A sub $60K Z weighing around 3K pounds with 400 hp would be ideal for me. Think Ferrari F355 performance at Base Porsche Cayman pricing. I would like to see the Z35 considerably out perform an NSX Trype-R and Cayman S, and keep up with a Carrera S.

Ah, we can all dream.

Firebase99 01-21-2014 08:48 PM

Like I said, I have no interest in a $48k z let alone $60. Could I afford it? Yes. Would I pay that for a Nissan outside of VERY CLOSE GTR performance? Yes. Very close. Ain't gonna happen, and at that price I'll be in a "base" $30k z or for that a C7 or Cayman at $60+

Duc_Z09 01-21-2014 09:34 PM

I think the problem with trying to keep the Z in the low $30Ks is that it's not realistic; we're living in an era of $40K Mustangs/Camaros. Times are changing, and even a "cheap" car like the FR-S is still $25K before options. Give it wheels you'd want to be seen with, metallic paint, a radio... and now all of a sudden the 200 hp wonder-car isn't such a bargain compared to your wife's v6 Mustang.:rolleyes:

My vote would be increase hp output in the v6 platform, drop a few pounds, and continue to compete with the American pony cars at a similar (or even slightly higher) price point. It'll still sell just fine.

brucelidat 01-21-2014 10:00 PM

I am okay with it going up somewhat and decreasing road noise and NVH, but not to 55-60k like the other guy was saying. Maybe high 30s to 40 starting.

cheshirecat 01-22-2014 02:19 PM

Nissan is looking for sales. A 55k Z is not going to be a seller. Could it be a great car? Absolutely. However, it would not be a sound business decision.

Chuck33079 01-22-2014 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cheshirecat (Post 2662446)
Nissan is looking for sales. A 55k Z is not going to be a seller. Could it be a great car? Absolutely. However, it would not be a sound business decision.

The last time the Z cost $50k Nissan discontinued it. Given how poorly the 370 has sold, we should be lucky they haven't killed it again. And if a turbo 4 makes the same or more power with better EPA mileage numbers, the general public will like it more.

I'm still not sure why people think that the Z is going to be competing with the FRS/BRZ. That's what the IDx is for.

Firebase99 01-22-2014 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2662455)
The last time the Z cost $50k Nissan discontinued it. Given how poorly the 370 has sold, we should be lucky they haven't killed it again. And if a turbo 4 makes the same or more power with better EPA mileage numbers, the general public will like it more.
I'm still not sure why people think that the Z is going to be competing with the FRS/BRZ. That's what the IDx is for.

The all important metrics, the dollar is God. Like may have said, thinking two years before we see it and itll be a Q50/60 in a Z, probably a turbo 4 and an optional "NISMO" 6, thank you and goodnight!!

Chuck33079 01-22-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2662479)
The all important metrics, the dollar is God.

If the Z continues to sell 10k units a year, we won't have a Z for much longer. That's just a fact.

theDreamer 01-22-2014 02:41 PM

Nissan could stay away from a turbo 4 banger but they have not invested into a proper new engine.
It seems they just want to take anything they have and put out a 300HP turbo 4 and call it a day. Just looked up the IDx size and it is a little smaller than the FRS so unless Nissan is building 2 cars of the same size the IDx is the response to the FRS.

Chuck33079 01-22-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2662501)
It seems they just want to take anything they have and put out a 300HP turbo 4 and call it a day.

And if that turbo 4 came in a <3000lb car, I'd be all for it. Bonus points if it had forged internals.

kenchan 01-22-2014 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2662490)
If the Z continues to sell 10k units a year, we won't have a Z for much longer. That's just a fact.

the more reasons why i bought my 370Z 6MT. :tup:

Zed-Hed 01-22-2014 03:48 PM

I mentioned the Toyota FT-1 concept from the Detroit auto show in an earlier post. If that car comes to market in the 40-50k range it will sell. There is no reason why nissan could not move the Z to that price point with the right equipment. Look how many c7 corvettes are selling at 65k. Nissan should not be outdone by Toyota.

theDreamer 01-22-2014 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Zed-Hed (Post 2662615)
I mentioned the Toyota FT-1 concept from the Detroit auto show in an earlier post. If that car comes to market in the 40-50k range it will sell. There is no reason why nissan could not move the Z to that price point with the right equipment. Look how many c7 corvettes are selling at 65k. Nissan should not be outdone by Toyota.

Unless the Toyota car is toned down a ton, it will not be anywhere close to 40-50k. With the rumor of power in the 500 range and how light it is, that car is a GT-R fighter first, so think 90k or more.

Chuck33079 01-22-2014 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2662618)
Unless the Toyota car is toned down a ton, it will not be anywhere close to 40-50k. With the rumor of power in the 500 range and how light it is, that car is a GT-R fighter first, so think 90k or more.

:iagree:

kenchan 01-22-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zed-Hed (Post 2662615)
I mentioned the Toyota FT-1 concept from the Detroit auto show in an earlier post. If that car comes to market in the 40-50k range it will sell. There is no reason why nissan could not move the Z to that price point with the right equipment. Look how many c7 corvettes are selling at 65k. Nissan should not be outdone by Toyota.

if the FRS came out of the factory looking like the FRS concept at the projected sub-$25K, it would've sold more too.

kenchan 01-22-2014 04:07 PM

it's like them burger king ads.

you see the ads and you're like :yum:
you see the actual product you're about to bite into and you're like :icon08: :barf:


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