I won't disagree that FT-1 may sell at corvette prices but I don't see Toyota being able to sell a 90k car.

This was said by many when Nissan started selling a $80k GTR here.

you have a 09 Z and a 10 Z? wow!

Just a 10 Z. The 09 was bought back by Nissan.

oh... was there anything wrong with your 09? :confused:

Oil consumption. Two motors in replacement all were a problem. Read my "three little pigs thread".

And the GTR is not that sexy.
Power yes, sexy no.

Put just a little bit more into the Z and OMG.

Here is what I think will happen. They will offer a base Z with a 2.5 NA. Sell for 28-32, then offer a sport package touring blah blah for a few K more. She will be lighter and quicker but really no horses maybe 220. Then they will offer a NISMO 2.5 TT at 37-45K. they will make it with enough changes that it will make it silly to buy a base or a touring if you want a performance Z. The base and touring will be so toned down they won't be fun. Yeah they will look good, but they will probably be tame enough for teens.

Cannot do that though, the IDx will be to close of a competitor at that power range of 220 for the base Z. Depending on which exact engine they use (some are saying the Juke motor or variant), that will be easily 180-200HP for the small IDx.

For the Z to stay above it they will need to keep it in the 3xx range with either lighter car or throw on a turbo for efficiency.

Imagine paying 90k for a 500 hp Toyota and the gas pedal sticks. That's a ride that will test your driving skill!!

Just put it in neautral :tup:.

Officer.... I know this may sound like a really bad excuse for speeding, but honest to god my gas pedal was stuck, I don't know what the guy in that gt500 in the right lane was thinking.

He was thinking "can't let that glorified Prius beat me!":rofl2:

If Nissan wants to be different then why don't they introduce an n/a, single and twin turbo inline 6?

If Nissan drops the ball on the new Z. I see a Jaguar Ftype Coupe R in mine.

Go talk to the accountants, the Z is not the halo car so before certain choices are made the accountants and finance guys set the rules.
I would say a 2 engine option could help bring the Z life around again, has worked for the muscle car guys, but only if done in huge volumes. Not 10k cars sold per year, but 10-20k per month.

It's like people don't understand how much making a car costs. We can wish for all the crap in the world, but as long as they sell <1000 units a month we'll be lucky to get one engine option. I'd be shocked if the next Z didn't have some flavor of a VQ in it simply because I can't imagine Nissan building a new motor just for the Z. The money doesn't work for that. Honestly, all I'd expect for a new Z is a revised VQ with DI for torque and gas mileage and a couple hundred pound lighter chassis.

I could be wrong. They could spend a boatload of cash and gamble that it would increase sales to 350z levels. If I were a shareholder I wouldn't be too happy about it, but it's definitely a gamble they could make.

Yep, and unlike say the Mustang, the Z is already an international car. So for Ford, the mustang is about to blow up even more by entering other markets allowing them to do even more (hence the 3 engine announcement).

Honestly, I fear to say it but the rumors of the reduced engine with a turbo in my mind means 4 banger turbo for the Z. Probably a 2.5L turbo setup which pumps out 345HP and weights in at 3100lbs (they won't go below 3k because of the IDx).

I don't understand the hate on the turbo 4 possibility. I've never seen a factory turbo motor that couldn't handle a 15-20% bump in power with an exhaust and a reflash. The same people that bitch nonstop about how little power bolt ons make on a NA V6 should be out running victory laps if the car comes with a turbo 4.

I think it comes more from the Z guys/gals who have always seen the Z has a 6 cylinder of some sort, and now rumors of a 4 banger is blasphemy.
I don't disagree, if it does go 4 banger turbo it is the end of an era for the Z, but it might be time to redefine the car for the future.

It's the same assbackwards thinking that kept the SVO Mustangs from ever taking off and they were fantastic cars for their time. "Because that's the way it's always been" is a terrible reason for doing something. Plus, did those same guys cry rivers of tears when the Z went from an inline 6 to a V6? Hell, a turbo 2.5 would still be a larger engine than the 240z had in it.

I care less. I'll keep my Z till the chassie falls apart. Hell I could weld that together.

You both need to relax. I only posted what I thought would be cool. Don't lecture me on economies of scale. It's funny how people think they know everything like their opinion is the last word.

:rolleyes:

Yeah whatever :rolleyes:

Jesus, relax there. You threw out an idea that would and could never happen, and it was discussed. Care for a Midol?

Did someone piss in your Cheerios this morning?
We took your opinion and just expressed why we think it won't happen, based on how Nissan operates its business model, that is all.

We are all hear because we love our Z cars. If they don't build what we want we have other choices. 2015 Corvette ZO6 would be nice.

Yes, yes it would. I'd happily become a "Vette Guy" for one of those. :drool:

Now that's called commitment buddy!! I kinda feel the same way about my z...just something about it that makes me wanna keep it. On another note your time spent building your race car is absolutely impressive!:tiphat:

If you don't like the 4 banger (which you won't know until you try it...) then swap it for a LS V8 :p

Boosting the current v6 would be cheap and super-effective... That's all I'm saying. Who wouldn't want a 450+ hp Z with parts that are interchangeable with ones from the past 6 years? It wouldn't even require retooling the factory.:rolleyes:

Just imagine if every Z35 came from the factory with a V6 (VHR or HR) with an F.I. TT kit and 3" exhaust :happydance:. It's never going to happen, but that would be cool. The car will probably costover $50K.

Gonna be a while until I am over 60, so I can't be a vette guy yet.

I'm 56. Less than 4 years for me!!!

In 4 years, won't you need a 4 seater for the grand kids? :icon17:

The wife has a jeep. I should be good to go.

Hope they offer 2 engines :)

I love the VQ.

If they make it a turbo 4 they better reduce the weight of the car substantially, not just because of the smaller engine. the current Z weighs what? 3400 lbs? The new Z better shed 600-800 lbs if they want it to perform at a higher level.

If anything, if anything, the cost should at least stay the same. This car is still tough to sell at dealerships, and worse to lease due to its """shitty""" residual value [or so the dealership claims..bs]. A possible 4 cylinder displacement would definitely be disappointing, quite the opposite of what bmw did with their m3, when they took it from the v6 e46 to the monster v8 on the e92.

and now they're back to a v6 for the m4 so...