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zeeder 11-07-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Streetlife (Post 2558871)
:iagree:, it's funny to me how the 7AT in the 370z doesn't get the props it deserves for how amazing it actually is for a single clutch automatic transmission. People have no problem driving a GT-R (dual clutch automatic transmission), Ferrari 458 Italia (dual clutch automatic transmission) , Lexus LFA (single clutch automatic transmission) and a Lamborghini Aventador (single clutch automatic transmission too), these get all the praise no problem, but if you've driven them and the 370z in 7AT you'll notice the shift speeds are not that different at all. I give props to actual engineering genius creations from R&D regardless of the badge the vehicle has on it! I love my 7AT, ordered my girl Vanity that way for a reason!:happydance:

All of the autos you mentioned are actually clutchless manual transmissions whereas the 370Z is a traditional automatic with a torque converter. That being said, with all the raves of how good it is, I wish I would have at least test driven an auto 370...lol. Oh well, I love my 6MT except when I'm in stop and go traffic!!

Streetlife 11-07-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeder (Post 2558884)
All of the autos you mentioned are actually clutchless manual transmissions whereas the 370Z is a traditional automatic with a torque converter. That being said, with all the raves of how good it is, I wish I would have at least test driven an auto 370...lol. Oh well, I love my 6MT except when I'm in stop and go traffic!!

You are right about the Torque Converter, which is more of a reason to give props to the 7AT. Nothing wrong with the 6MT (notice how now other manufacturers are offering their version of SRM now) , i'm just happy Nissan created such good transmissions for the 370z, and it still was sold at an amazing price!:tiphat:

Chuck33079 11-07-2013 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by zeeder (Post 2558884)
All of the autos you mentioned are actually clutchless manual transmissions whereas the 370Z is a traditional automatic with a torque converter.

Yeah, I'm not sure why people keep thinking it's functionally any different from any other auto. Maybe because it's good? :rofl2:

kenchan 11-07-2013 09:49 AM

i wonder if the Z35 gets a torque converter or an actual electronic clutch? :confused:

Mt Tam I am 11-07-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370 (Post 2558264)
I SWEAR i looked up for 25 minutes and couldnt find anything :shakes head: what do you consider driving hard? i have a 7at:roflpuke2::roflpuke2: and never go over 6500 rpms only have hit that mark 2x im on my 550th mile lmfaoo... i cant not have fun with this car especially after that crappy *** civic si i had for a good year. give me some advice as i am new to the whole Z driving thing. ALSO SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP i couldnt find it and after i ended up in the honda forum searching via google i gave up ]=
(Shouldve gotten the 6MT fml )

:iagree:
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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2558285)
So we've decided to ignore the break-in procedure in the manual?

And if you're so upset about the 7at, why did you buy it?

Yes and why?

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370 (Post 2558507)
Out of curiosity, what are the effects if you shift over 4 k

Perhaps a new short block.

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Originally Posted by jaedub (Post 2558568)
And you should've gotten the 6MT. So much more fun IMO.

:iagree: again

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Originally Posted by fzgood (Post 2558561)
I might have to do this. I just got a speeding ticket... my second of 2013. Before getting the Z, my most recent citation happened in early 2006.

To answer OP's question, I think driving hard in this car is kind of impossible on the street without entering felony territory. Full throttle at 6.5 revs can be terrifying, especially with the vibration in the manual gear lever.

Why is this terrifying? How does the vibration of the gear lever play in? I hope you are not looking at the stick while driving at terrifying speeds.

A poll may be in order. "Who is terrified at 6500 rpm's"

kenchan 11-07-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2558908)
A poll may be in order. "Who is terrified at 6500 rpm's"

prius driver?

santa claus?

GSS138 11-07-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370 (Post 2558264)
I SWEAR i looked up for 25 minutes and couldnt find anything :shakes head: what do you consider driving hard? i have a 7at:roflpuke2::roflpuke2: and never go over 6500 rpms only have hit that mark 2x im on my 550th mile lmfaoo... i cant not have fun with this car especially after that crappy *** civic si i had for a good year. give me some advice as i am new to the whole Z driving thing. ALSO SORRY IF THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP i couldnt find it and after i ended up in the honda forum searching via google i gave up ]=
(Shouldve gotten the 6MT fml )

There are no less than 5 world class road courses within 3 hours of you. If you want to drive hard don't do it on the freeway. A week from sunday if you want to go to AAA speedway and learn what your car isreally capable of, send me an PM.

There is a beginners group and there will be lots of first timers. The track is really the only place that can put a car to the test. There is nothing you can do on any public highway in socal that can even compare to one track day. Besides, other people don't want you driving like a dipsh1t around them.

Take it to the track. There's lots of Z forum members from the LA OC area. Come hang out in the AutoX section.

Firebase99 11-07-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2558320)
I tracked my 7AT at Sebring without problems and redlined it a ton since adding a supercharger so I don't think you are going to hurt it stock.

I was there on the 3rd with Chin. Black, 2013 stock 370(except pads), and goofy looking guy in tan shorts and black Bell sa10 helmet. You might have zoomed past me too fast to notice. LOL.

chuky 11-07-2013 10:10 AM

I like turtles

NissanGuy23 11-07-2013 10:22 AM

6500rpms is childs play, take that b!tch to 7500

kenchan 11-07-2013 10:28 AM

take it up to rev limiter and bounce off it.

Haboob 11-07-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chuky (Post 2558939)
I like turtles

I drive slower than they run.


Wait, do turtles even run? :confused:

Tazicon 11-07-2013 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2558979)
take it up to rev limiter and bounce off it.

This^^^^^^ even my wife has done it a few times.

Captn Worley 11-07-2013 10:54 AM

i hit 7500 everyday.

kenchan 11-07-2013 10:59 AM

does the AT allow you to bounce off the limiter?

Tazicon 11-07-2013 11:04 AM

Yes pre-2013 it does. In manual it will NOT shift up unless you shift it.

ElVee 11-07-2013 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2558979)
take it up to rev limiter and bounce off it.

I sometimes still do this on accident when I don't use the paddles. Unlike many other cars, you can move the shift lever in a small enough movement to not trigger the switch of gears. This frustrates me...

I should add this to the, "You know you're in a z..." thread...

Mt Tam I am 11-07-2013 11:05 AM

My limiter light flashes at 7000 rpm and I see it flash every day.

ElVee 11-07-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2559088)
does the AT allow you to bounce off the limiter?

My 2013 does not upshift. At least with one bounce. Maybe it will if I keep it up there, but I haven't ever tried. Maybe I should over lunch...

jcosta79 11-07-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2558285)
So we've decided to ignore the break-in procedure in the manual?

It's not the 70's. Break-in procedures are simply antiquated. Most high-performance engines are run to redline before they are even installed in the cars at the factory. (A mass-produced engine like the VQ is probably not however)

kenchan 11-07-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2559109)
My 2013 does not upshift. At least with one bounce. Maybe it will if I keep it up there, but I haven't ever tried. Maybe I should over lunch...

yah, as long as it doesn't upshift on its own that's cool. :tup:

FortuneLSX-TT 11-07-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2558644)
None, but the factory recommended break-in says to keep it under 4k. It's all in the manual. You have read the manual, right?

It's 1k miles.

The manufacturer seems to disagree with you.;)

I know, engine break-in is one of those subjects that will be debated until the sun burns out. :rofl2:

Well the 370Zs they had at the Nismo Performance Academy were all VERY VERY low mileage... and I don't think anyone was keeping them under 4k or under 100% throttle. I still wonder what happens to those cars when they're done.... "Only one owner, only 1300 miles on the odometer, practically brand new"

As for other break ins. I've had a few performance motors built, and all the engine builders had me do the break in listed in that link that someone posted. I.e. half throttle to half rpm, cool down, three quarters to three quarters rpm, cool down, then full throttle to max rpm and cool down, three times for each part. Haven't had any problem with any of those motors yet, and those guys all built tons of motors.

As for the OP, don't worry about the 7AT. There are many times when I wish I had the auto..namely in traffic. The 7AT also does very well around the track.

DavidZ370 11-07-2013 11:15 AM

I really do love the 7at and the 6mt as well, the big thing i left out was that i feel the 6mt would get me into less trouble /: ... I've gotten 2 tickets already in 3 weeks thats more then i have in my whole entire lifetime of driving.

Chuck33079 11-07-2013 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jcosta79 (Post 2559129)
It's not the 70's. Break-in procedures are simply antiquated. Most high-performance engines are run to redline before they are even installed in the cars at the factory. (A mass-produced engine like the VQ is probably not however)

I'll follow the instructions in the manual, thanks. My guess would be that there's a reason they put them in there. "How to break in an engine" is a debate that will never die. :rofl2:

Chuck33079 11-07-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370 (Post 2559141)
I really do love the 7at and the 6mt as well, the big thing i left out was that i feel the 6mt would get me into less trouble /: ... I've gotten 2 tickets already in 3 weeks thats more then i have in my whole entire lifetime of driving.

:rolleyes: Maybe stop driving like an asshat then? The transmission type isn't the issue, it's how you're driving it. Slow down before you hurt someone else/yourself/your car.

DavidZ370 11-07-2013 11:17 AM

This thread is causing a big stir lol. I realized to just not pay attention to the recommendations and just drive it with full enjoyment. Once again i do apologize for my grammar im just very sick of writing formally.....

alcheng 11-07-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2558829)
its amazing how people still crash with vdc on.... :ugh: how? not sure. just left off the gas and brake, but people tend to panic or something and tries to throttle themselves out ending up in a ditch, up a tree, a pole, house, signs, mailboxes, cars, buses, trailers, candy vans, bushes, ponds, etc.


that's what happened:

1) start the Z and turn off VDC: "I am Schumacher..!! :tup:"

2) Z starts to slide without the VDC: "I am still Schumacher...!! :icon14:"

3) Z starts to lose control: "Maybe I am Schumacher.... :eekdance:"

4) Z intercourse with the candy van: "I am no Schumacher.... :icon14::wtf2:"

NissanGuy23 11-07-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidZ370 (Post 2559149)
This thread is causing a big stir lol. I realized to just not pay attention to the recommendations and just drive it with full enjoyment. Once again i do apologize for my grammar im just very sick of writing formally.....

Dats aight but u shud pay att to the recomendtions tho.. cuz its a bad a$$ whip u no and u gotta take care of it feel me?

( Click to show/hide )
y u no post pics of ur whip?

alcheng 11-07-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23 (Post 2559363)
Dats aight but u shud pay att to the recomendtions tho.. cuz its a bad a$$ whip u no and u gotta take care of it feel me?

( Click to show/hide )
y u no post pics of ur whip?


thank you for teaching us Marsian(people from MARS) language.. :tiphat:

zeeder 11-07-2013 01:35 PM

Speaking of VDC on/off, I'm glad that you can toggle it! In my 350, if I turned off TCS it was off until I turned the car off and started it back up.

In my experience, 90 degree right-hand turns onto busy streets tend to set off VDC all the time. In these situations I tend to turn VDC off so I can quickly, and safely, get up to speed on a busy street. Then again, perhaps the stock tires just aren't grippy enough...lol.

Firebase99 11-07-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeder (Post 2559398)
Speaking of VDC on/off, I'm glad that you can toggle it! In my 350, if I turned off TCS it was off until I turned the car off and started it back up.

In my experience, 90 degree right-hand turns onto busy streets tend to set off VDC all the time. In these situations I tend to turn VDC off so I can quickly, and safely, get up to speed on a busy street. Then again, perhaps the stock tires just aren't grippy enough...lol.

What? 350z Enthusiast and up have VDC, any car built in 12' and higher years, by law must have sort of VDC. Which in the 370 is also able to be disabled, by default its on when the car starts.

Haboob 11-07-2013 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeder (Post 2559398)
Speaking of VDC on/off, I'm glad that you can toggle it! In my 350, if I turned off TCS it was off until I turned the car off and started it back up.

In my experience, 90 degree right-hand turns onto busy streets tend to set off VDC all the time. In these situations I tend to turn VDC off so I can quickly, and safely, get up to speed on a busy street. Then again, perhaps the stock tires just aren't grippy enough...lol.

That's why I turn it off too. Too many times it's come on for no reason making a turn.

Lothario 11-07-2013 01:58 PM

i beat the ever loving **** out of my car. redlining, speed restricter, i even turn the volume up past the recommended level. i dont get how some of the guys here, just idle around, or keep there z locked up in a garage. bought mine brand new in feb, already hit 30k, at least 1k of those miles were earned in a "spirited fashion"

and I only got 1 ticket, which im still pretty sure was BS.

now im off to find some popcorn and a flame suit

Chuck33079 11-07-2013 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothario (Post 2559442)
i beat the ever loving **** out of my car. redlining, speed restricter, i even turn the volume up past the recommended level. i dont get how some of the guys here, just idle around,

Mybe it's not that they idle around, it's that they don't put up stories of reckless driving on the streets up on the internet. ;)

Lothario 11-07-2013 02:08 PM

whoa, whos getting reckless on the streets?

keep the reckless stuff on the track. streets put to many innocents at risk.

Chuck33079 11-07-2013 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lothario (Post 2559463)
whoa, whos getting reckless on the streets?

keep the reckless stuff on the track. streets put to many innocents at risk.

I'm sorry, I interpreted this

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Originally Posted by Lothario (Post 2559442)
i beat the ever loving **** out of my car. redlining, speed restricter, i even turn the volume up past the recommended level.

to mean on the street. If you're doing it on the track, that's great.

Haboob 11-07-2013 02:14 PM

Hey, I like idling around. Watching my handsome self in the reflection of the buildings I roll by.

**** the traffic behind me.

zeeder 11-07-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2559427)
What? 350z Enthusiast and up have VDC, any car built in 12' and higher years, by law must have sort of VDC. Which in the 370 is also able to be disabled, by default its on when the car starts.

My 2007 Enthusiast 350Z only had TCS.

Firebase99 11-07-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zeeder (Post 2559471)
My 2007 Enthusiast 350Z only had TCS.

Oh, yea, TCS then is bare minimum requirements for 2012 for some sort of TCS, whatever the car makers call theirs. Nissan is VDC, Volvo is is ESP, etc, etc.

zeeder 11-07-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 2559555)
Oh, yea, TCS then is bare minimum requirements for 2012 for some sort of TCS, whatever the car makers call theirs. Nissan is VDC, Volvo is is ESP, etc, etc.

For Nissan, TCS = Traction Control System whereas VDC = Vehicle Dynamics Control. VDC includes TCS but TCS does not include VDC. TCS only stops wheel spin whereas VDC is supposed to bring the breaks in to keep you from spinning. At least I think that's a pretty good basic way of describing the differences.


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