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DavidInIndy 09-10-2013 09:10 AM

Which stock cars can take us?
 
I've seen comments in various threads about certain cars that can outrun a Z in the 1/4 mile. So here are my conditions before I make a list:
  • excludes "super cars," such as Lexus LFA, Lambos, etc.
  • must have stock/base manufacturer equipment
  • naturally aspirated (- i.e. no turbos)
  • same year, like 2011 vs 2011 for instance

Maybe I'm leaving out some things (feel free to add more exclusions) but here's a list based on things I've seen posted:
  • BMW M series (not SUV's obviously)
  • Mustang GT and above (that was for my neighbor who has a Cobra)
  • Porsche 911
  • can't think of any non-turbo Audi's but I'm sure there are some

If we account for similarity in price (let's put the Z at 40K), I would think it would be only the Mustang GT that would take us, right? Again, I'm only talking about a 1/4 mi sprint.

I know I'm missing some cars and I'm not trying to put myself out there as a car expert...not at all. I just drive and come across certain cars and wonder "I bet I could take him." Thx.

Note: And yes, please feel free to switch in Nismo Z to represent the Z if you'd like...just to make things interesting.

edub370 09-10-2013 09:14 AM

m series suv's can also blow the doors off our cars in a straight line lol.


all newer na cars that can be had under $40k

5.0
camaro ss
srt8 jeep
911's (06-09)
s5 audi's (09ish)
c63 mercs (09-10)
isf's (08-09)
m3's (08-09)
m5's (08-09)
srt8 challenger (puke)
c6 (09-11)

280z/300zx 09-10-2013 09:16 AM

Camaro SS
Challenger SRT8
Mercedes AMG series
Lexus ISF
Porsche Cayman and Boxster


I'm sure there is more. The Camaro and SRT8 will only beat us on paper by 0.1-0.2. In real life it's more of a drivers race but stats are stats.

Chuck33079 09-10-2013 09:19 AM

Anything that traps higher than 110 is going to beat a stock 370 in the 1/4.

kenchan 09-10-2013 09:19 AM

honda odyssey. they fast.

Mt Tam I am 09-10-2013 09:21 AM

BMW 135i is right on the edge I believe.

edub370 09-10-2013 09:22 AM

^^ cant use boosted cars per op's request

(which really is unrealistic since tuned 4 cyl's can whoop up on us)

Chuck33079 09-10-2013 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2480436)
BMW 135i is right on the edge I believe.

But it isn't NA, so it doesn't meet the OP's criteria. I'm not sure why the distinction was made if we're talking about stock cars. Modded, it makes sense.

DEpointfive0 09-10-2013 09:30 AM

Almost anything can take our cars in the 1/4 mile... Sorry, this ain't a 1/4 mile car

DavidInIndy 09-10-2013 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2480453)
Almost anything can take our cars in the 1/4 mile... Sorry, this ain't a 1/4 mile car

Aaahhh...good to know.

Kinda funny...with how beefy the Camaros are, I thought for sure we could take them. Whenever I chat cars with my neighbor (Mr. Cobra), he voluntarily says that he thinks my car (roadster = the "slow" Z) could take his if it was a track where handling/cornering was involved.

Curious what everybody thought of that comment by him.

bdavis89 09-10-2013 09:33 AM

Whats the issue with Turbo cars? They come stock last time I checked?

enkei2k 09-10-2013 09:34 AM

Toyota Prius

and

Nissan Leaf

proof of the Leaf beating a Z:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgN60FrsY2Q

Chuck33079 09-10-2013 09:34 AM

If we make the qualifications specific enough, you can beat anything. Same year, same price, stock, no turbos, same color, same number of cupholders, etc.

And OP, where are you getting 2011 M3s and 911s for $40k?

DavidInIndy 09-10-2013 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdavis89 (Post 2480460)
Whats the issue with Turbo cars? They come stock last time I checked?

I have nothing against turbos. It's just that the last time I checked, turbos are not standard manufacturer equipment on Z's...just trying to compare apples to apples (or naturally aspirated to naturally aspirated). :-)

Zteve 09-10-2013 09:41 AM

Z was never designed to be a straight line 1/4 mile car.

DEpointfive0 09-10-2013 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidInIndy (Post 2480458)
Aaahhh...good to know.

Kinda funny...with how beefy the Camaros are, I thought for sure we could take them. Whenever I chat cars with my neighbor (Mr. Cobra), he voluntarily says that he thinks my car (roadster = the "slow" Z) could take his if it was a track where handling/cornering was involved.

Curious what everybody thought of that comment by him.

$10 says his Camaro would kick your āss up and down the track too. From what I have read on this site, the 5.0 stock (maybe with the track package?) is impossible for us to beat without serious mods

DEpointfive0 09-10-2013 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2480465)
If we make the qualifications specific enough, you can beat anything. Same year, same price, stock, no turbos, same color, same number of cupholders, etc.

And OP, where are you getting 2011 M3s and 911s for $40k?

Yeah, maybe '09. Got my 2008 ISF in... 2011 with 5000 miles for $40.5k, and that's because the owner just didn't want it, otherwise it should've been $43-44k

onzedge 09-10-2013 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2480431)
honda odyssey. they fast.

:icon14:

Mt Tam I am 09-10-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2480441)
But it isn't NA, so it doesn't meet the OP's criteria. I'm not sure why the distinction was made if we're talking about stock cars. Modded, it makes sense.

You are correct. I forgot N/A part.

V8Killer 09-10-2013 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidInIndy (Post 2480458)
Aaahhh...good to know.

Kinda funny...with how beefy the Camaros are, I thought for sure we could take them. Whenever I chat cars with my neighbor (Mr. Cobra), he voluntarily says that he thinks my car (roadster = the "slow" Z) could take his if it was a track where handling/cornering was involved.

Curious what everybody thought of that comment by him.

Mod's do take in account in what our car can do, but if you have a 10 sec car and a 14 sec driver you really think that car is still going to do 10 sec in the 1/4? Uh NO. We aren't supposed to talk about street racing but here is an example. I have put my car against a manual camaro ss 2011. All I had was k&n drop in air filters and a stillen ud pulley. No contest and I banged every gear on the money. When we pulled in the mcd's parking lot he had exhaust and intake done to his car and asked what I had done. He really thought I had a bunch of mods. To me it is down to the driver, stock 06 gto 6.0 been there done that, 2valve mustangs full boltons, 2000 camaro ss exhaust, n/a cobra with girlfriend in the passenger seat winking at me as I passed by ya did that too and the girl in it that night. :tup: So on paper anybody and everything is fast and slow, it's what you do with your vehicle when the time comes is what reality is. Sorry for the rant, but I just find this thread funny to me anything is possible with the right conditions. We have a guy on the forum who ran a stock Z on street tires in 12.9 he can drive his *** off:driving:

synolimit 09-10-2013 11:40 AM

WRX and STI.

O turbo, boo

DavidInIndy 09-10-2013 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 2480670)
Mod's do take in account in what our car can do, but if you have a 10 sec car and a 14 sec driver you really think that car is still going to do 10 sec in the 1/4? Uh NO. We aren't supposed to talk about street racing but here is an example. I have put my car against a manual camaro ss 2011. All I had was k&n drop in air filters and a stillen ud pulley. No contest and I banged every gear on the money. When we pulled in the mcd's parking lot he had exhaust and intake done to his car and asked what I had done. He really thought I had a bunch of mods. To me it is down to the driver, stock 06 gto 6.0 been there done that, 2valve mustangs full boltons, 2000 camaro ss exhaust, n/a cobra with girlfriend in the passenger seat winking at me as I passed by ya did that too and the girl in it that night. :tup: So on paper anybody and everything is fast and slow, it's what you do with your vehicle when the time comes is what reality is. Sorry for the rant, but I just find this thread funny to me anything is possible with the right conditions. We have a guy on the forum who ran a stock Z on street tires in 12.9 he can drive his *** off:driving:

Well said.

6MT 09-10-2013 02:16 PM

a racing thread? ...................

roy'sz 09-10-2013 02:22 PM

Ive beaten an sr8 and a rt off the line so you can count them out.

Volk Z 09-10-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidInIndy (Post 2480458)
Aaahhh...good to know.

Kinda funny...with how beefy the Camaros are, I thought for sure we could take them. Whenever I chat cars with my neighbor (Mr. Cobra), he voluntarily says that he thinks my car (roadster = the "slow" Z) could take his if it was a track where handling/cornering was involved.

Curious what everybody thought of that comment by him.

Well your neighbor is partially correct, the convertible is the slower Z... Its heavier and has the same HP. Base Z will beat you in your vert if the drivers are equal...

If I'm not mistaken you vert Z weighs around 3600 pounds vs base Z that weighs around 3200 pounds. Every 100 pounds is equivelent to 10 hp or a tenth at the track (rule of thumb numbers).

So if your concerned and want to be faster without modding your motor then put your Z on a diet.

A lotus Elise with 190 HP would destroy your Z simply due to power to weight ratio.

onzedge 09-10-2013 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V8Killer (Post 2480670)
Mod's do take in account in what our car can do, but if you have a 10 sec car and a 14 sec driver you really think that car is still going to do 10 sec in the 1/4? Uh NO. We aren't supposed to talk about street racing but here is an example. I have put my car against a manual camaro ss 2011. All I had was k&n drop in air filters and a stillen ud pulley. No contest and I banged every gear on the money. When we pulled in the mcd's parking lot he had exhaust and intake done to his car and asked what I had done. He really thought I had a bunch of mods. To me it is down to the driver, stock 06 gto 6.0 been there done that, 2valve mustangs full boltons, 2000 camaro ss exhaust, n/a cobra with girlfriend in the passenger seat winking at me as I passed by ya did that too and the girl in it that night. :tup: So on paper anybody and everything is fast and slow, it's what you do with your vehicle when the time comes is what reality is. Sorry for the rant, but I just find this thread funny to me anything is possible with the right conditions. We have a guy on the forum who ran a stock Z on street tires in 12.9 he can drive his *** off:driving:

:tiphat:

Chuck33079 09-10-2013 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volk Z (Post 2481079)
A lotus Elise with 190 HP would destroy your Z simply due to power to weight ratio.

Not in a straight line.

Volk Z 09-10-2013 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2481082)
Not in a straight line.

OP's car is a 370z Vert 1/4 mile is around 13.5
Lotus Elise 1/4 mile 13.3

So YES in a straight line the Lotus elise with 189 Hp would beat the Ops car meeting his criteria of NO forced induction.

Chuck33079 09-10-2013 02:50 PM

Depends on driver and year. Moter trend got a 13.5 out of theirs- 2005 Lotus Elise - First Drive & Road Test Review - Motor Trend

JungleZ 09-10-2013 02:53 PM

I learned really quickly after i leased this car that its not a stop light car, if i dont get a perfect launch im struggling to get past a V6 Camry/Accord. This car has barely any low end torque especially on the manual tranny.

Even though ive launched faster than 335i's, evos,stis because im a good driver, those cars do it easier.

Also the GT 5.0 has dusted me every time by a full car length.

2011 Nismo#91 09-10-2013 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2480465)
If we make the qualifications specific enough, you can beat anything. Same year, same price, stock, no turbos, same color, same number of cupholders, etc.

And OP, where are you getting 2011 M3s and 911s for $40k?

Yeah unless they have a salvage title, very high milage, or a lemon your not going to find those under 40k unless they are bone stock which they almost never are AND they are '06 models or older.

And a Jeep STR8 is 60K and up.

If your comparing a new Z MSRP price to a used car bottom of the barrel price its an unfair comparison. A used '09 370z bottom of the barrel price is in the low 20's.

Gotta compare apples to apples.

XiP 09-10-2013 03:00 PM

I don't think I ever revved past 4k rpm in my Z

JungleZ 09-10-2013 03:04 PM

watch out for those Honda Crv's and Toyota Rav4. Straight Sleepers

XiP 09-10-2013 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2481135)
watch out for those Honda Crv's and Toyota Rav4. Straight Sleepers

the older model RAV4s with 4WD and V6 were really fast

enkei2k 09-10-2013 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2481135)
watch out for those Honda Crv's and Toyota Rav4. Straight Sleepers

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiP (Post 2481141)
the older model RAV4s with 4WD and V6 were really fast

:iagree: Although doesn't have to be the older ones. I drive a 2013 Rav 4 4x4 every now and then. Put it in the manual shift mode and that thing flies. 0-60 in 6.3 according to MT

2013 Toyota RAV4 XLE First Test - Motor Trend

Volk Z 09-10-2013 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2481113)
Depends on driver and year. Moter trend got a 13.5 out of theirs- 2005 Lotus Elise - First Drive & Road Test Review - Motor Trend

Well they have the 370z convert at 13.5 too... So its a tie

Zensation 09-10-2013 04:05 PM

....Anything with V-Tec......

Mt Tam I am 09-10-2013 04:24 PM

I still remember the 1965 Catalina as one of the fastest 0-60 times. It was under 4 seconds. In high school we talked alot about this one. Nothing came close for 20 years.

gbrettin 09-10-2013 04:27 PM

So what we need to take away from this thread is...

( Click to show/hide )
The best modification you can do is learn to drive.

Ardent_Z 09-10-2013 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 2481306)
So what we need to take away from this thread is...

( Click to show/hide )
The best modification you can do is learn to drive.

I actually logged in to give you a "like". I had to type my password and everything.


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