370Z Sport Package vs Mazdaspeed 3 GT vs S2000 vs Cayman S vs Mazda Rx-8

JonBoy

So a Z-coupe is not a sports car since it's not open?

And I hardly think comparing MSRP is fair when anyone with a brain can get them for a much lower price. The Z can be had (base model) for $28K, give or take, and the Evo X can also be had for that price. That means they are absolutely price-competitive. MSRP, especially in this economy, is pretty much disregarded by most buyers.

Stock-vs-stock is a fair comparison for performance but not for price. Common selling price, not asking, is how price should be compared.

theDreamer

The word open can be something that means different things.
But MSRP is the only basis we have to go on (such as stock performance), I got my Z for invoice but others are paying 500-1,000 over invoice. Yes it can be had but it does not mean that is how you compare an item. I was offered a Evo MR at invoice plus rebate but someone else may have only gotten MSRP plus rebate.

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JonBoy

What other meaning for "open" can you think of, if not "convertible"? "Lots of room"? "Without a windshield"?

I saw someone earlier (might have been you) say that the Z and Cayman were the only sports cars of the bunch so was wondering how they came to that conclusion.

Again, I agree on comparing stock performance but comparing MSRP doesn't make any sense to me if it doesn't remotely reflect the actual purchase price of the vehicle. Stock power/tuning comparisons are valid because it's the way the car comes from the factory.

Pricing is not set in stone the way performance is - it's negotiable and is therefore comparable on a "probable" level vs a "standard" level. Power/performance is not negotiable from the factory and so it is valid to limit to an absolute value (stock) for comparison purposes.