370Z Sport Package vs Mazdaspeed 3 GT vs S2000 vs Cayman S vs Mazda Rx-8

marcelo929 · 11-19-2009, 09:50 PM

2009 and 2010 TT-S models didn't have any engine changes made so they are both just as fast hitting the 0-60 in about 4.8-4.9 range. The one thing that could've played a role in the times you looked up was a transmission update that was needed. My friend has a 2009 TT-S and trust me that thing holds it's own across the whole powerband. I've driven it and it is in no way slow after 60 mph. MS3 is not as fast as TT-S, period.

Edit: I'm pretty sure your 5.6 time is of the convertible TT-S not coupe..

Sand123 · 11-19-2009, 10:15 PM

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MS3 is not as fast as TT-S, period.

I'm certainly not one to critique an honest opinion. But is there a lack of knowledge of basic physics here, or what is going on? Please explain to me how a car that is heavier and is putting less power to the ground is faster than a lighter car putting down more power?

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I've driven it and it is in no way slow after 60 mph

I never said it was slow beyond 60 mph. I just said slowER than a lighter car with more wheel hp and torque. And yes, the drivetrain losses from an AWD car are higher than a FWD or RWD car.

marcelo929 · 11-19-2009, 10:27 PM

alot of stuff goes into consideration not just weight and power. aerodynamic drag, suspension, tires, and other factors come into play also when it comes to straight line performance. Yes I am aware that AWD drivetrain losses may be higher but that doesn't mean the drivetrain in the MS3 is on par performance-wise with the one in the TT-S. I myself have an altima coupe with the V6 and I've raced him and he blows my car out of the water at any speed. Sure my car is around 100 lbs heavier than the TT-S but I believe the MS3 would be a more suitable competitor to my Altima than the TT-S

Zsteve · 11-20-2009, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sand123

I'm certainly not one to critique an honest opinion. But is there a lack of knowledge of basic physics here, or what is going on? Please explain to me how a car that is heavier and is putting less power to the ground is faster than a lighter car putting down more power?

I never said it was slow beyond 60 mph. I just said slowER than a lighter car with more wheel hp and torque. And yes, the drivetrain losses from an AWD car are higher than a FWD or RWD car.

Audi is quattro actually which means AWD only when it needs it then its FWD. Engine compression ratio can be a factor too. Launch control with AWD is a factor too. Funny you threw the magazine facts out and now that someone trumped your mag with another mag you want to play physics now. My chipped 2.0T K03 turbo (smaller than K04) FWD (not quattro) TT (not TTS) did 0 60 in 5.5 secs on the street.

Zsteve · 11-20-2009, 06:16 AM

The dsg makes it faster too with shorter shift times. And german know how.

areyouin729 · 11-20-2009, 07:48 AM

wow I just read this trash

I'd rather drive a Prius than a souped up Cobalt

CrownR426 · 11-20-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

What is an Audi doing in this thread?

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by areyouin729

wow I just read this trash

I'd rather drive a Prius than a souped up Cobalt

I worked on couple Prius'!
They start automatically its crazy and they're possibly the best car to drive for drive bys. SO quiet!

Zsteve · 11-20-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426

Exactly.

I worked on couple Prius'!
They start automatically its crazy and they're possibly the best car to drive for drive bys. SO quiet!

A prius drive by would be halarious , sad but halarious. I could just picture a bunch of thugs shooting out of a prius saying "atleast were going green"

Sand123 · 11-20-2009, 05:45 PM

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Audi TTS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.4 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 32.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 104 mph

MS3
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8
Zero to 100 mph: 14.8
Zero to 130: N/A

370Z
0-60 4.7
1/4 13.3 at 105 mph

So are you telling me that the Audi TT-S is as fast as the 370Z then despite having a 70 hp disadvantage and the same weight? AWD cars are always going to be fast from a standstill acceleration test. It's the roll-on acceleration that gets them. I also see you managed to find the slowest numbers for the Mazda. Below are figures for the Mazda from Road and Track with links.

Road and Track:
RoadandTrack.com -- Long Term Road Tests - Long-term 2007 Mazdaspeed3 Modified! (11/2008)

MS3
0-60 5.7 sec
0-100 13.8 sec
0-120 20 sec
1/4 14.1 sec at 101mph

MS3 with intake alone (Road and Track's car)
0-60 5.5
0-100 13.1
1/4 13.9 at 103mph

The only time the Audi is going to be faster than the MS3 is from a standstill--that's the benefit of AWD. The Audi practically ties the 370Z from a stop to 100 mph as well but the Z is obviously the faster car.

Zsteve · 11-20-2009, 06:00 PM

ho hum go find a TTS and race him

marcelo929 · 11-20-2009, 09:38 PM

Road and Track times on the TT-S also blow the MS3 out of the water

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf

now you changed the whole TT-S vs MS3 to TT-S vs 370Z lol. I guess i'll just go ahead and agree to disagree. Only a real race would convince me otherwise. Good Day

Sand123 · 11-20-2009, 10:41 PM

Nothing wrong with disagreeing.

My point in comparing the Z to the TT-S was to show that the Audi's performance specs are inflated b/c of its huge traction advantage. The Z is a much faster car but appears about the same for 0-60 and 0-100, etc. Exact same reason why the Mazdaspeed6 (AWD), which is 500 lbs heavier than the speed3 and has the same engine, is faster in the 1/4 mile. Getting onto the highway though is a different story.

Zsteve · 11-21-2009, 07:03 AM

Dude! Your car doesnt even beat the Solstice or the Sky and they are both the same setup as yours. Looks like others did more with their K04 turbo than Mazda did, sorry.

j.arnaldo · 11-21-2009, 07:59 AM

It's a matter of tastes & budget. The Z is a great bang for the buck 'cause it's a well-balanced Sports car (reliability, performance & price). Porsche seems to be the pick of most "experts"; you know, the guys who test cars for automotive magazines. So, don't worry, be happy! Are YOU satisfied with your beaZts?! Don't worry 'bout others' opinions regarding monZters! Just enjoy them--at least, I'm enjoying my '04.5 Touring Coupe to the max'!

Sand123 · 11-21-2009, 10:03 AM

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Dude! Your car doesnt even beat the Solstice or the Sky and they are both the same setup as yours.

0-60 slightly better due to RWD. 1/4 mile times favor the Mazdaspeed3.

11-20-2009, 06:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	The dsg makes it faster too with shorter shift times. And german know how. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

11-20-2009, 06:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	ho hum go find a TTS and race him __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

11-21-2009, 07:03 AM	#13 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	Dude! Your car doesnt even beat the Solstice or the Sky and they are both the same setup as yours. Looks like others did more with their K04 turbo than Mazda did, sorry. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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11-19-2009, 09:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
marcelo929 Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: mission,tx Posts: 58 Drives: '11 MK6 GTI Rep Power: 17	2009 and 2010 TT-S models didn't have any engine changes made so they are both just as fast hitting the 0-60 in about 4.8-4.9 range. The one thing that could've played a role in the times you looked up was a transmission update that was needed. My friend has a 2009 TT-S and trust me that thing holds it's own across the whole powerband. I've driven it and it is in no way slow after 60 mph. MS3 is not as fast as TT-S, period. Edit: I'm pretty sure your 5.6 time is of the convertible TT-S not coupe..

11-19-2009, 10:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
marcelo929 Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: mission,tx Posts: 58 Drives: '11 MK6 GTI Rep Power: 17	alot of stuff goes into consideration not just weight and power. aerodynamic drag, suspension, tires, and other factors come into play also when it comes to straight line performance. Yes I am aware that AWD drivetrain losses may be higher but that doesn't mean the drivetrain in the MS3 is on par performance-wise with the one in the TT-S. I myself have an altima coupe with the V6 and I've raced him and he blows my car out of the water at any speed. Sure my car is around 100 lbs heavier than the TT-S but I believe the MS3 would be a more suitable competitor to my Altima than the TT-S

11-20-2009, 07:48 AM	#6 (permalink)
areyouin729 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Conshohocken Age: 43 Posts: 301 Drives: 2009 370Z Rep Power: 17	wow I just read this trash I'd rather drive a Prius than a souped up Cobalt

11-20-2009, 09:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
marcelo929 Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: mission,tx Posts: 58 Drives: '11 MK6 GTI Rep Power: 17	Road and Track times on the TT-S also blow the MS3 out of the water http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d..._datapanel.pdf now you changed the whole TT-S vs MS3 to TT-S vs 370Z lol. I guess i'll just go ahead and agree to disagree. Only a real race would convince me otherwise. Good Day

11-20-2009, 10:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
Sand123 Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 18 Drives: Mazdaspeed3 Rep Power: 16	Nothing wrong with disagreeing. My point in comparing the Z to the TT-S was to show that the Audi's performance specs are inflated b/c of its huge traction advantage. The Z is a much faster car but appears about the same for 0-60 and 0-100, etc. Exact same reason why the Mazdaspeed6 (AWD), which is 500 lbs heavier than the speed3 and has the same engine, is faster in the 1/4 mile. Getting onto the highway though is a different story.

11-21-2009, 07:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	It's a matter of tastes & budget. The Z is a great bang for the buck 'cause it's a well-balanced Sports car (reliability, performance & price). Porsche seems to be the pick of most "experts"; you know, the guys who test cars for automotive magazines. So, don't worry, be happy! Are YOU satisfied with your beaZts?! Don't worry 'bout others' opinions regarding monZters! Just enjoy them--at least, I'm enjoying my '04.5 Touring Coupe to the max'!