Should i trade my z for a r34 gtr?
 

Ok so i need some advice here, its been only two month since i got my 370z and im in love with it and really was not planning to part with it in near future. But recently a friend of mine offered his legal r34 gtr for a good deal, pretty much its almost equal trade for my z. Should i go for it or just stick with the z?

Jump on it. That's like my dream car lol

Do it :yum:

What's the condition of the car???

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Define "legal". Most of the "legalized" ones really weren't. Most ones I've seen (and that's a very small number) had the VIN swapped from another Nissan model. I'd make sure I had all the paperwork. Also, check maintenance parts availability. It's a used car. Waiting for weeks to get it back up and running would suck. Other than that, it's an unbelievable car.

Its is one of those few that were registered by motorex, its is up and running i will test drive it late this week

If the R34 is in good running shape that I could legally title and drive on the streets, I'd be all over it.

i would keep your 370Z.

if that was a R35 + cash for a good deal and you like AT, then story is different.

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BOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :ban:

Weren't a lot of those siezed by feds because Motorex didn't actually legalize them? I'd walk if it's a Motorex car. Aren't those guys in jail for fraud on a federal level?

Yea the fraud was because they took money from people to import the cars and ran away with it, but there were few cars that actually got a title and have all clean paperwork

Motorex only did the legalizing process on R33 GTRs. So technically only those are 'legal'.

I'd rather keep the Z only because I won't have to worry about feds, the possibility of it being impounded, fanbois, etc.

If there was only a deal like that haha

I think they all went to jail for fraud. I am pretty sure.

Yep. That's what I remembered. I'd run away from anything that had their stink on it. It would suck unbelievably bad to trade your Z and have the R34 get siezed. It does happen.

yah, honestly i think you should keep your Z. :)

while the R34's were fantastic in their own ways at the time, it's not pre2008 any more.

Damn this Motorex issue had gone over my head. For those who had little info??

US Government Turns Up Heat on Skyline Owners

Plus, you'd be trading a new car with one that can't be any newer than 2002. I'd be very skeptical about trading my new car for a ten year old car. Why does your buddy want to do this anyway?

How to Legally Import & Register Nissan Skyline | eBay

Or if you REALLY want one. Just wait for the 25 year importing rule. Only another 12 years to go.

I'd make sure everything was legit before handing anything over. Otherwise, I'd do it for sure. Just set aside some cash to fix any issues that might pop up. Parts aren't exactly easy or cheap to find.

This is why I wouldn't trade for a grey market car. Too much to lose.

Pics? Man I'd trade my turbo Z for it simply because the R34 is also my dream car. :)

Ok im going to test drive it first, and make sure all the paperwork is good and there nothing to worry about and will go from there

Smart to test drive it first, get under it a little and see if everything is mechanically sound.
Also you need to run by your insurance company see how much that will cost. Can they insure it, do you have to insure it as a rare car? Also, are you getting a loan to pay for the car?

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Everyone THINK their R32-34 is legal... Sorry all, they're ALL illegal, even if its been registered. They get registered because the DMV people are morons, not because the car is legal.

(And the VINs that WERE issued were recalled)

Then again, R34 :yum:

This. OP, you're seriously rolling the dice. If/when something happens, is your buddy going to trade back? Also, if the car is so awesome, why is he trading it to you?

The NTHSA only recieved crash test data for the R33. And there is a long list of modifications required that I have on a PDF file from them sitting around somewhere. In that file every car that can be brought in is on there and again the required stuff to make them legal. The R32 and R34 and NOT legal in the USA. ICE is tryin to round them up and get rid of them. If you are going to trailer it to the track or show then go for it.

The Nissan Skyline was not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS. Such a vehicle that is less than 25 years old can only be lawfully imported into the U.S. if (1) it is determined eligible for importation by NHTSA and (2) it is imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI to bring the vehicle into compliance with all applicable FMVSS within 120 days of entry.

Import eligibility decisions are made on a make, model, and model year basis. NHTSA has determined that the R33 Model Nissan GTS and GTR ("Skyline") passenger cars manufactured between January 1, 1996 and June 30, 1998 are eligible for importation and has assigned vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 to those vehicles. (The import eligibility number is to be entered on the HS-7 Declaration form that is to be given to Customs at the time of entry, and alerts Customs that the vehicle may be lawfully imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI, even though the vehicle is not certified by its manufacturer as complying with all applicable FMVSS.)

To learn the modifications the petitioner started were needed to conform Nissan Skyline vehicles to the FMVSS, you should go to the Federal Docket Management System (FDMS) website at Regulations.gov and access docket number �NHTSA-2005-22654� by following the online instructions for accessing the dockets available at that web site. You should note that the petition sought import eligibility for 1990-1999 Nissan GTS and GTR "Skyline" passenger cars. After granting the petition, the agency learned that the modifications identified in the petition were not sufficient to conform certain model and model year vehicles that were covered by the petition. The agency therefore partially rescinded its grant of eligibility, leaving only R33 model Nissan GTS and GTR passenger cars manufactured between January 1, 1996 and June 30, 1998 eligible for importation.

A list of RIs can be found on our website at Vehicle Importation and Certification Requirements. You should consult the importers on that list to see whether any are willing to conform the vehicle that you seek to import to all applicable safety and bumper standards, and if so, what they would charge for that work.

If you decide to import the vehicle, one potential complicating factor is that the RI who petitioned NHTSA to determine the Nissan Skyline eligible for importation requested, and was granted, confidentiality with respect to the modifications needed to conform to the vehicle to certain of the standards. As a consequence, that importer (J.K. Technologies, LLC of Baltimore, Maryland) has claimed a proprietary interest in the modifications covered by the confidentiality grant. This does not preclude other RIs from attempting to modify the vehicle. However, should those importers not gain access to the modifications covered by the grant confidentiality, they will have to demonstrate to the agency, at the time they submit a conformity certification package for a Skyline, that they have made equivalent modifications that permit the vehicle to comply with the standards covered by the confidentiality grant.

Please note that we determined the vehicle eligible for importation based on its capability of being modified to comply with all applicable standards. We did not approve J.K. Technologies, LLC as the "exclusive" importer of the vehicle. As previously indicated, any other RI is free to import the vehicle, but will have to demonstrate in the conformity package submitted to the agency to obtain release of the conformance bond furnished at the time of importation that the vehicle has been brought into conformity with all applicable standards, including those covered by the grant of confidentiality to J.K. Technologies, LLC.

You should note that if you were to import the vehicle, the necessary modifications would have to be made by an RI, and that importer would have to certify to us that the vehicle conforms to all applicable FMVSS in effect on its date of manufacture before the vehicle could be released to be licensed or registered for on-road use. One of the reasons that an RI is required to import and modify a vehicle that was not originally manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS is because the RI stands in the stead of the vehicle�s original manufacturer to provide the vehicle�s owner with notification and remedy in the event that the vehicle is determined to contain a safety-related defect or a noncompliance with an applicable safety standard. Because the original manufacturer would not be responsible for the vehicle being in the U.S., it would have no legal obligation to perform this import safety responsibility.

Questions regarding modifications to conform the vehicle to applicable emissions standards should be directed to the EPA.

Would be super tempting, I'd take an R34 over an R35 but as said before, so many questions to ensure its legit, thats why so many R32's are on the road....

Definitely post a picture if you test that bad boy out, it would just suck if you go through the process only to learn you cannot keep the car

You have so many r32's in canada because your country lets you import in without and mods at 15 yrs old. Here in the USA it is 25 yrs old.

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also, having such a rare car is awesome and also an awesome headache. Have to have a dd, not a good idea to drive something like that everyday, accidents, vandalism, theft etc. Also, better have a garage for it. If damage, getting parts etc is $$$. Too many headaches, better off with an R35.

The R34 is a dream car indeed, I don't know how it works in the US but if you can get your hands on one without legal headache don't even think twice.

I just read this whole article, and to be honest it doesn't seem worth it to me. The chances of it being legal are slim and would only be a headache to deal with.

The R33 was "allowed"... As a lie, they said it was a modified 240 or something when doing the crash tests, then TSHTF and the realized it was a lie and that R33 thing was recalled as well. I have a friend who is in the ICE, he LHAO and said he'd tow any Skyline just for shitz, BUT he'd try to not have it crushed because he kinda likes cars.

You're from Canadia, you don't count :tiphat:

:iagree: yep

I have the pleasure of parking next to one every day :( I would do it in a heartbeat, but 1000% agree that getting some parts would be an all out nightmare to get replacements for.

We had a pair here last week, talk about dream crushers
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sounds like a troll questions to me. Any pic's of the Skyline? I mean with out a doubt i'd take a R34 over my Z34. why wouldn't you?

I agree. Take it. If its mechanically sound take it. Dream cars don't just pop up often.
Ugh I want an R34 so bad. Take the risk. Whats a gamble if you don't gamble right?

NHTSA has determined that the R33 Model Nissan GTS and GTR ("Skyline") passenger cars manufactured between January 1, 1996 and June 30, 1998 are eligible for importation and has assigned vehicle eligibility number VCP-32 to those vehicles.

That is the most current information. I even posted a link a few posts back. Was original tacked under VCP-7, but now there a was a huge review a few years back and the new rule is what I posted. I can actually post a link on the transcribed comments and conclusions on the review and acceptance of the certain year R33's if needed. Very difficult to follow and pretty much a waste of time though. If the NHTSA states that those are legal with a tremendous amount of mods needed to conform, then ICE kinda has to follow that. Whether or not they do in that instance, that is what attorneys are for in court later. No different than a police office can arrest and throw your *** in jail for what he seems fit, but you can walk in front of the judge later and get it thrown out.

Seriously Op do you really have to ask? I'll jump on it in a heart beat but show some pictures of your z and the r34 for good measure.