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Highway 06-17-2013 08:24 PM

There are several consumers who own a laser gun and will let you borrow it so you can test your jammer setup. They also have gatherings to test and see if they're able to pick your speed up with radar/laser guns.

With laser jammers, it's all about the correct installation.

Chuck33079 06-17-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750 (Post 2367522)
Most of these testers that endorse the detectors or jammers have some direct or indirect connection to the industry as suppliers or consultants.

How have you determined the tester's connection to the industry? And if someone's going to say that there's no independent testing to say they work, the inverse is true as well. There's no independent testing to say they don't. The only conclusion you could come up with is "inconclusive". So then we have to resort to anecdotal information. While not being ideal, with a large enough sample size, bad data gets diluted enough to make a reasonable estimate of how well they work. And here, the numbers lean solidly towards the devices work.

These guys put together a fairly extensive laser test Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR - LASER

Nothing is going to be a true controlled test. It's an expensive endeavor. The best we have is the radar detector forums. The vast majority of users seem to have good experiences with them.

Chuck33079 06-17-2013 08:31 PM

And with that, I'm out. I think this horse has been beaten enough. If you want a radar detector, buy a good one, mount it correctly and pay attention to it. It's not invincible, you still need to pay attention to your surroundings and traffic conditions.

Highway 06-17-2013 08:35 PM

I know it's only June, but it has received my nomination...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...RAvBHrpqS8e9s6

gsxr750 06-17-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2367558)
How have you determined the tester's connection to the industry? And if someone's going to say that there's no independent testing to say they work, the inverse is true as well. There's no independent testing to say they don't. The only conclusion you could come up with is "inconclusive". So then we have to resort to anecdotal information. While not being idea, with a large enough sample size, bad data gets diluted enough to make a reasonable estimate of how well they work. And here, the numbers lean solidly towards the devices work.

These guys put together a fairly extensive laser test Radar Detector Tests and Reviews by Guys of LIDAR - LASER

Nothing is going to be a true controlled test. It's an expensive endeavor. The best we have is the radar detector forums. The vast majority of users seem to have good experiences with them.

So this small group of guys just got together and just happened to have access to 10 of the top police laser guns.

gsxr750 06-17-2013 08:55 PM

Here is another good read

Anyone run into a radar jammer?

bdavis89 06-17-2013 09:23 PM

This thread is like using the Bible to prove the existence of God when arguing with an atheist. :tiphat:

CSGLEON 06-17-2013 11:34 PM

Just google "do radar detectors really work" if you are short money and have to scrutinize if they " really really REALLY work" because they are pricey. Don't buy one! Nor if you really don't need one because you typically drive the speed limit everyday and are never in a hurry sometimes. if you travel all over town for work or similar activities and are on the freeway allot get one if you can afford it. Don't even question it... I promise like me and several friends have said " yeah it was expensive but it paid for it's self already" they do typically give you a heads up that you are approaching a radar gun and should slow down... If you don't want to spend the money, don't get one. If you can spend the money, get one for the added sense of security just in case..... You might just save yourself 200 dollars going 10 over the limit. If you have to really really think about it, save your lunch money to buy something more important like a weeks worth of lunch.

Wonka2581 06-18-2013 12:20 AM

Ok guys heres the deal on this hole radar thing. LEO'S have a couple of different options to choose from I.E. Roving radar, stationary radar, LIDAR, pacing, and an Air Unit.

First off the Roving Radar - Its set up on the dash of the police car or police Motor cycle. It uses an antenna in the front and rear of the unit. The cop has a control box in the car when he is driving around it is on stand by, when he observes a vehicle he is supposed to estimate his speed, I.E. 67MPH then he has to hit the button on the radar to clock the vehicle. When the radar is on stand by the detector will not pick up the radar beam making it detector go off and alert you, Only when he hits the button to clock you will it go off and tell you hey theres a cop, and by then its to late hes already got you when he hit the button.

Stationary radar - it uses the same principle as roving but the cop must be stationery. It's typically a hand held gun instead of being mounted in a vehicle.

LIDAR - it's a hand held gun that limits a laser beam to judge speed and distance, the officer can pick out a vehicle from a pack the this vs a regular radar unit that just emits a cone shape beam. As for the hole laser jammer or diffusers, I have yet to see one actually work for the fact lets just say you have it installed on the front bumper of your car where the front fangs are. The LIDAR has gun sight optic that he can aim and pinpoint any part of your Car I.E. your rear view mirror or roof of your car. for the jammer to even remotely work the cop would have to aim it directly at the jammer it self.

Pacing - lets say you're driving down the road at 90MPH and you are so concentrated on the fact you're cursing down the road or paying attention to the chick in the passenger seat that you did not notice that cope that got o the highway as you were passing an entrance ramp. he see you pulling away from him he catches up and PACES you going 90MPH thats all he needs to give you a ticket.

Air Unit - or helicopter. some agency have them and what they do is hover high up and look down to the markers they have already set up most of the time they are white X shapes on the side of the highway as you pass the markers the will start a stop watch and then stop the watch as you pass the next marker about a mile down the road or so. Then they take your time and do a math formula and boom they now have how fast you were going. And then radio your vehicle color and make to the cops that are a couple of miles down the road.

Now all of that being said radar detectors are not a total waist of money, you could get lucky and it might pick up on a beam that a cop shot at another car a little bit up the road. But I would not put your faith in one that it will not let you get a ticket. Just some food for thought For my fellow Z brothers. And incase you were wondering I have been a cop for a number of years now.:tiphat:

Highway 06-18-2013 08:39 AM

That's what makes this fun wonka. :)

I've been caught doing over 100 in a 65 and luckily had it reduced to 90, which still required a defensive driving class. That was back in 98 or 99 and I learned a lot from that experience.

Wonka2581 06-18-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Highway (Post 2368168)
That's what makes this fun wonka. :)

I've been caught doing over 100 in a 65 and luckily had it reduced to 90, which still required a defensive driving class. That was back in 98 or 99 and I learned a lot from that experience.

He'll before I do what I do now, when I was 17 I had an R6 and got boxed in at a gas station they clocked me at 136 in a 45. I about went to jail if it weren't my dad being a cop. Lets just say home was worse then court,

starview 06-18-2013 08:57 AM

Laser jammers do work. Once you get your "parking sensors" installed look on the internet for a meetup and you can find guys to get your setup tested by the best lidar guns available to LE.

gsxr750 06-18-2013 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonka2581 (Post 2367871)
Ok guys heres the deal on this hole radar thing. LEO'S have a couple of different options to choose from I.E. Roving radar, stationary radar, LIDAR, pacing, and an Air Unit.

First off the Roving Radar - Its set up on the dash of the police car or police Motor cycle. It uses an antenna in the front and rear of the unit. The cop has a control box in the car when he is driving around it is on stand by, when he observes a vehicle he is supposed to estimate his speed, I.E. 67MPH then he has to hit the button on the radar to clock the vehicle. When the radar is on stand by the detector will not pick up the radar beam making it detector go off and alert you, Only when he hits the button to clock you will it go off and tell you hey theres a cop, and by then its to late hes already got you when he hit the button.

Stationary radar - it uses the same principle as roving but the cop must be stationery. It's typically a hand held gun instead of being mounted in a vehicle.

LIDAR - it's a hand held gun that limits a laser beam to judge speed and distance, the officer can pick out a vehicle from a pack the this vs a regular radar unit that just emits a cone shape beam. As for the hole laser jammer or diffusers, I have yet to see one actually work for the fact lets just say you have it installed on the front bumper of your car where the front fangs are. The LIDAR has gun sight optic that he can aim and pinpoint any part of your Car I.E. your rear view mirror or roof of your car. for the jammer to even remotely work the cop would have to aim it directly at the jammer it self.

Pacing - lets say you're driving down the road at 90MPH and you are so concentrated on the fact you're cursing down the road or paying attention to the chick in the passenger seat that you did not notice that cope that got o the highway as you were passing an entrance ramp. he see you pulling away from him he catches up and PACES you going 90MPH thats all he needs to give you a ticket.

Air Unit - or helicopter. some agency have them and what they do is hover high up and look down to the markers they have already set up most of the time they are white X shapes on the side of the highway as you pass the markers the will start a stop watch and then stop the watch as you pass the next marker about a mile down the road or so. Then they take your time and do a math formula and boom they now have how fast you were going. And then radio your vehicle color and make to the cops that are a couple of miles down the road.

Now all of that being said radar detectors are not a total waist of money, you could get lucky and it might pick up on a beam that a cop shot at another car a little bit up the road. But I would not put your faith in one that it will not let you get a ticket. Just some food for thought For my fellow Z brothers. And incase you were wondering I have been a cop for a number of years now.:tiphat:

I'd have to agree with just about everything have said above, from my experience with police and radar in different situations and how I observed radar and laser detectors to respond.

That's why I gave up on using them early in the 90's when I found they just didn't work effectively anymore.

When you say that police don't activate the radar until you have the target in sight and then its to late, is exactly what I have been trying to tell ppl .

Even with the reflected microwave energy its really risking a lot that this will save them from getting a ticket.

Drex 06-18-2013 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750 (Post 2368499)
That's why I gave up on using them early in the 90's when I found they just didn't work effectively anymore.

technology has advanced in the last 20 years (on both sides of the equation).

if your conclusions are based off of 20 year old data, and a day with a crappy cobra detector, there is really no point in discussing this topic with you further. :tiphat:

UNKNOWN_370 06-18-2013 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsxr750 (Post 2367572)
So this small group of guys just got together and just happened to have access to 10 of the top police laser guns.

Thanks for making this a stupid thread with 20 year old useless facts brought to us by you, propagandist police research and the most worthless radar company in existence. Cobra:ugh2:


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