dude.... wtf are u talking about

yea honda MADE good sports cars. toyota MADE a good sports car. but guess what?? who's still making sports cars (nissan). who's lot do u fall asleep in immediately when u drive thru it (honda and yoter). honda and toyota have chosen a completely different path. they are in it to sell economy cars and make ridiculous profits. hell, i feel like toyota made the frs/brz solely to get critics of their backs. and u say IF honda made a new sports car or IF toyota made a sports car... sorry dude, but "if's" don't cut it. if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses when they hopped... get my drift..


and i like how u say the gtr is the only car worth buying. thats like saying, well living in the midwest is fine, but if u really cared u would live in the hamptons. I cant afford a $100k gtr!

same logic u used with the porsches. they are GREAT cars. but the only 911 u can get in for the same price as a z is like 2003 996 or u could get a higher mileage cayman s. i should tell all the true sports car guys out there in z06's or m3's that they are ONLY allowed in 911's per your advise.

so my question is, if the gtr is the only car worth buying... why are u sitting here in a z...?

Dont ask he will only be further confused :bowrofl:

Solution? Offer two engines like the Mustang.

$26K 300 hp, 3.0L high revving inline-4, 26 mpg, 3000 lbs
$34K 425 hp, 3.7L turbo-V6, 18mpg, 3300 lbs

The first model would steal FRS buyers who want more power, and offer an alternative to the Mustang V6 buyers. The second model competes directly with the Mustang GT, and might steal a few Vette buyers.

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Nissan doesn't have generic materials in there cars so $26k is a no go. I see about $31k for a turbo 3.0 and about $40k for a turbo Z that would more rival the corvette as did with the Z32. These would be starting prices, and turbo's would make them cheap to mod so people would be willing to spend more. But knowing Nissan. It's more realistic to have one NA and one FI. I don't see two FI's at all. If anything, its one turbo and one NA hybrid.

I live in a small community north of Orlando and at a red light the other day there were 6 mustangs within 1000 feet of me, and those were the ones I could SEE.
I'd rather have a Z, and that's that.

don't you know the gtr is the only car worth buying tho... :roflpuke2:

Well, going out on a limb here, I think the GTR isn't that, ahem, attractive. But I can appreciate it for it's raw power and coolness.

Wait, which is it? If the Gt-R is the only car worth buying??? Then how can a real enthusiast opt for Porsche?:confused: I'm so confused. Will Porsche just give me a car if I buy a Gt-R??? Or do i buy a GT-R and steal a porsche? :roflpuke2:

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Same here in Iowa. Tons of rundown and riced-out mustangs around here. Lately I've seen more challengers and chargers pop up as well. You don't even get a second look if you drive one because they're so common. There are literally grandmas around here that drive them. To me it seems they're only popular because they're so much cheaper and easier to come by than the Z. Every once in a while I will see a new Mustang that looks nice, but IMO they are cheapened by the huge number of junky old ones on the road.

I think we should all just be happy with our cars and stop worrying about sales numbers. The 370Z was one of the best sports car in its price range when it was announced in 2008. It was better handler and faster than the Mustang, Camaro, Gen Coupe, etc. However, those cars have all had significant redesigns while Nissan did their mid cycle refresh (2013). It might not be best, slower than a mustang GT, and worse handling than FRS/BRZ. But it's still a good car.

And IMO it still looks fantastic and has aged really well, compared to the 350Z after 5/6 years.

I say give the market a few years and we will have an influx of buyers trading in their Toyobaru for more power. The toyobarus will go to highschoolers and kids starting college, and those in the market for a Japanese sports car will have few options if they buy new.

Currently there is the EVO (for how long), WRX/STI, Z, and GTR that are still sold new. Toyota sits on their sales throne with their thumb up their @ss on the future Supra, Acura teases a retard expensive NSX, Honda doesn't have $hit but an Si (ROFL), the market was starved for cheap performance. Mazda has the MX-5, but that is catered to a very specific market, and the MS3, which is long in the tooth.

Believe it or not, some of these guys in their current econoboxes, wannabe sports cars, and Toyobarus want something faster and moar race car. Believe it or not, not all of them want a Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Nissan would be foolish to miss this opportunity in their redesign. Some of us just want a Japanese sports car. There are plenty of American and European choices.

Go back and read the reviews of when the 370Z first came to market. It was praised. The car didn't change. Even in the midst of the SS having 426hp, it was still praised. The problem was that it's flaws were highly criticized in nearly every magazine they don't care about reporting your steering lock issues). Oil temps, brakes failing after a lap, and the NVH, which I really just think is a $hitty stock exhaust. Rough exhaust sound can easily be mistaken as rough engine. Every enthusiast that cross shops will read a mag review and see it. In reality, those issues aren't a problem for most owners. How many forum members have actually driven the balls out of the car to the point where they ran into those issues? There are some, but not many. The shadow of doubt has been cast from the beginning. It was Nissan's choice not to fix those issues that year and they did not.

They lost that gamble It wasn't until 2012 they half a$$ed the oil cooler, 2013- upgraded brake lines and fluid, but the Nismo pads are still an option. . Ford and Chevy continued to improve. The Mustang improved power, added Recaro Seats, introduced the Boss 302, improved their GT500 every year, and catered to their market. The Camaro improved the steering wheel people complained about, the shift knob, the Suspension in 2012, as well as improved the interior, added the 1LE package for their enthusiasts, introduced the ZL1 package, and they brought back the Z28 option. And Chevy has the Corvette if they didn't cover the market enough. We have to go from Z to GTR, that's a significant price jump. The Nismo is not doing well to fill that gap or separate it's performance enough from normal Z's for the price they charge. In comparison, we see a huge performance improvement from a base Mustang GT to a Boss or even a track pack. Same goes for a Base SS to the 1LE.

I don't think Nissan needs to go punch for punch in the HP war, but they need to make up for it everywhere else.

The new 13's are ugly, to me completely changed the attitude of the Z with the redesigned front bumper.

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The GT-R isn't really a sportscar, it's a Supercar. They're different. The Z is a pretty awesome sportscar. It's in the same approximate design ballpark as a Cayman for performance, and for Cayman money you can mod it into at least as good a track car as a Cayman and still keep it reliable. This Z just feels awesome to drive. I don't really care if it loses a 1/4-mile contest to something that costs $5K less. That's not really a priority for me.

The problem here is that the rest of the market isn't like me :)