Should i trade for a Z?
 

So i currently have a 2.0t Genesis coupe, with a gtx28 turbo on it, making about 400whp, 330 wtorque... But im a bit bored of the car, I been looking at the 370z for few days but not sure....

How much or what mods will it take to put it, in that 400whp range?

Also any of you guys have made this transition from a gen coupe to a 370z and have any opinion?

I suggest spending a lot of time in the FI section of the forum to read up on some builds and going on a few test drives. You don't want to make an impulse decision that you regret later.

I definitely prefer the Z to the G-Coupe but also understand their appeal.

I know a local forum member who recently sold his Z and got into a Genesis w/ track pkg. He is enjoying the car but admits that he really misses his Z. Also, FWIW, he says this Z forum runs circles around the Genesis forum with more information, more frequent posting, and nicer people. He plans to stick around the Z forum for the community and entertainment :tup:

400whp will not be possible in the Z, currently, without going with boost.
Saying that, they are different cars so you might not feel the need for more power depending on your needs. You have to look at many factors from 2 v 2+2, suspension, power curve, brakes, etc.

You won't get more than 300-330whp (depends on the dyno) with bolt on's. Forced Induction is a different animal altogether as you probably know already. As with anything, your limit will be whatever you can afford. The parts and upgrades for the Z tend to be a bit more than most cars, so I'd keep that in mind if you're on a tight budget. A Twin Turbo setup will probabaly run you at least $10k-$15k depending on the kit and shop that installs it.

whats the highest whp/torque achieved with FI on stock block?

That is a broad question, have seen into the 600whp range but that will not last on a daily driven car. For a reliable everyday car with proper support mods, good install, tune you can be in the low 500 daily without much issue.

Your line of questioning leads me to think that you should move to a car that comes stock with a turbo. Unless you are simply bored of the appearance and handling characteristics of the genesis, the amount of money you will spend going FI (10k - 15k+) could be better spent on simply buying a fast FI sports car from the beginning.

Congrats on doing your research ahead of time and welcome to the forum. :)

That's true. You're close to M3 pricing at that point.

thanks all for your recommendation...

The reason i want to change, is because i want something more appropriate something that looks more serious, IMO the Z looks a bit more elegant than the Z

Now the other car i had on my list was the 335i, they have style, but the inside suckz, stock twin turbo than i believe can be easily pushed to the 500whp

Basically what im saying is, i want to get rid of my genesis, and get a GT-R but cant afford it, so looking for alternatives :P

The Z certainly has it beat in the looks department.

I think the 335i would be a better fit if you are chasing horses.

I remember when I was still looking for a car, the Z felt so much more special inside and outside than the Genesis coupes I was looking at. Have you test driven a 370Z yet? A supercharger will also get you to 400whp pretty easily if power is a large concern and you want a Z. It'd be a little bit cheaper than twin turbos.
There's also new C7 Corvette.

:iagree: :tup: entertainment value alone is worth being here! LOL

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I was going to post the exact thing. Modding the Z for FI when coming from a pre-piped car will shock you. $15,000 in a 2.0gc coupe will round out your mods. $15,000 here will get you the parts, but not the work or suspension tunes etc... lol

I would strongly look at FI cars like the 135i and evo or look into a Z06 vette, unless you wanna drop $30,000 in a Z? lol :tup:

Let me add that 30k in a Z will build you a car that will be hard to defeat on a track, but it will cost you.

If they just fixed their transmission issues and swapped out iron suspension parts for QUALITY aluminum ones, we might be fvcked on a track??? The engine on the GC is underrated basedon shytty transmission build quality and overprotective tuning. Its a group of small things holding the GC back.

thats kinda another problem not many companies (actually none locally) work on genesis, and alot of them work on Z, so i spent close to 12k on my coupe, done all the work my self and im barely making it to 400 whp. I also looked at the cadillac CTS and it looks like a fun car to drive.

And no i have not driven a Z yet, im sure i will feel like is faster than my coupe, since it will have alooooooot more lower power...

Before the gen coupe i had a corolla and before that a 350z (which i misssss alooot) it was a bit ago that i had it but if i remember correctly it handle better than my gen, drif wise (sold it for economical reasons)

It's nice to see someone doing their home work BEFORE buying a Z. Most people buy them then realize the car isn't what they expected. One thing that gets you is jumping in one and taking it for a test drive. You will realize that the car isn't the fastest but man they are fun to drive! Trying to get a lot of ponies out of them costs you money. You can get some more HP out of them with out going FI buit it won't have the bang for your buck that stock turbo cars have with mods. Anyway I hope you have learned a bit and will make an informed decision so we don't see another regret thread!

I think you will like a stock Z over your modded gen, honestly. But we gotta the ups and downs.

I'll go try one today, but i know it will feel faster (butt trick) :P But def have to think about it... On the genesis world im one of the fastest, in fact here in tampa there just another guy that may hit 400whp (still at the shop), also i get a good amount with the gen, believe or not at least once a day i get asked "What kind of car is that?"

If i get another Z ill be just another Z around nothing special (at the beginning at least :P)

decisions decisions

btw this is my car build: SuperMiguel's Build Thread - Genesis Forum: GenCoupe Hyundai Genesis Forums

A low mileage 370 with GTM's new 16g kit would be a lot of bang for your buck.

You have a lot of money wrapped up in your car already, and your bored this quick? I am not sure if a Z is going to cure you.

No bored, its just where i work at every one drives MB, BMW, expensive cars then every time we go to a clients im the one driving the loud *** Hyundai :P i think driving loud 370z may fix that (just thinking out loud)

It most likely won't. To the average BMW/Merc driver, it's just a loud nissan. If you need to fly under the radar for work purposes, the G37 may be the way to go.

Thats when I used to pull out the Infiniti G37 IPL or the Cayman. My Z is not loud but it does have a cat back.

Are you against getting a BMW/MB yourself? I personally would never buy a MB but there are a few Bimmers I would consider. 335 TT, M3 are both amazing cars.

And if you are talking about dropping another 10-15K on a FI Z. Well you can get 400+ in a stock M3 for that type of money. Unless you are building a full track beast, there is really no need for a TT or super charger on a Z that is a daily driver imo.

The other option someone suggested is to look at the used caymen/boxster market. I would also be looking at used Audi S5's. Amazing car and the used ones start at 40K for recertified vehicles. The S5 is a bad mama jama. Not familiar with the pricing, but audi TT/RS is another great car.

"Because you can" is a perfectly acceptable reason for a TT daily driven Z. It makes the drive to work far more entertaining.

OK that's a reason. Being in Orange County CA though I am happy if I can get into 4th gear on my daily drive though lol.

Even with the 135i... $2k for chip and tune and you are sitting at ~410. But yeah, the inside sucks. I hate BMW interiors. I was shopping a 135i just a week before I bought the Z. While I still love the look of the M3 and even the Lime Rock edition, that's all it will ever be to me. Just a look. I wanted the Z for what was underneath the skin. The rest I can make to suit me.

I guarantee you will disappointed with this rough course 3.7 engine and crappy manual box. Don't be a Dumbass like me and get into the car based on looks and a weak test drive.

If you want to hit the canyons and stuff sure a z is great with just springs sways and tires but for a street car with power many many better options.

Wow... you don't get past 28 mph in your daily commute? That's when Nissan recommends you shift to 5th gear :ugh2: I find myself in 6th on neighborhood roads now that I realize I'm supposed to shift into 6th at 33 mph :icon17:

There are a lot of us who don't share your opinion. "Guarantee" is a strong word to use. I do agree for the need for a thorough flogging of the car on the test drive.

Nice gen:tup:

:iagree: with one thing. No one can be as much as a dumb azzz as you... In that fact :iamwithstupid:

But as for everything else he wrote... You might want to read his thread history before holding this opinion with any validity. :ban:

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See the shifting at 2300 RPM troll thread.

A Z will definitely be the looker in that group, moreso than the Genesis.

Not to poke the big elephant in the room too hard, but I would definitely think twice and three times about getting a new car just because you want to fit in with the work crowd. Standing out might be nice: Mr. youthful with his go-fast car and less debt....etc. :) Who knows, just throwing some non-performance thoughts out there!

So you're saying you want something with the same amount of power that you're currently getting on your Genesis but needs to look more refined?

If so then don't think the 370z fits your needs because you'll need to go FI to put out numbers like that. 370z is definitely a looker but for business purposes and visiting/impressing clients you might want a luxury car like a G37 (you'd have to boost the G37 to get those numbers too) or maybe an IS-F if it fits your budget.

I currently drive an 09 335i and im actually in the process of selling it to get myself into a z possibly a new nismo if eveything works out as planned. I'm assuming you'd be buying preowned if your looking at 335i's since the 09's are in the low 30's and im guessing the genesis is worth close to that range but anyway without sounding like a run on sentence i'd just like give you my 2 cents, the 335i is my daily driver and it was a nice experience at first but it gets so dreadfully boring after dd it for so long, had a hard time finding a stick with the right options, mine is fully loaded so I had to settle for the msport package paddle shifters, that being said its really really really boring and the maintenance on this car is crazy it's in every month since i've owned it for one of bmw's recall notices (thank god it's under factory warranty still because the invoices are shocking), anyway this is 100% my opinion based on my experience with the car I don't wanna scare you but I thought i'd share my experience. As many would agree you can't beat the reliability of a japanese car, also 99% of my car's problems have been with the cars electric system which bmw is known for. The major problems I had were the ecu and other components of the electrical system failing ranging from the idrive system (which blows in my opinion), to the engine malfunction warning on 5 times in the last year because the fuel pump went twice another issue the n54 engine is known for. Not to mention its about $80 every 5 days to fill up were I live.

german engineering at its finest :ugh2:

Hate to sound like the old dude (shoe fits...), but how about not giving a f&$k what they think? Buy what you want, because you want it, but realize this...if you're looking for a car to do more for you than be fun, you'll continue to be disappointed...

BTW, I love my Z, and I've had z06's, Vipers, and FFR Cobras..

Agree but maybe ill enjoy the Z more?

Even tough my car on a dyno makes 400WHP to make it go 401WHP i have to spend alot of money full engine built, new turbo, etc, etc, and if i go with a bigger turbo, then i have to wait until i hit 4.5k rpm to get a full spool out of it, and my redline is 6.6k so i only get that 400 + whp for 2k rpm...

I think that for daily driving like regular trafic driving a z may be more responsive at least from 1k to 5k rpm... And later i can add a supercharger or a turbo to it and get that crazy top end?

lol now im just trying to convince my self

Like i also have few friends that ride supras, evos, and they are up there 700+ and to get even close to 700 on my gen i probably have to drop 20k on it... and ill be the first one to do it, so it will not be reliable, and will have a hard *** time finding a tuner...

With the 370z many of you guys with internal and twin turbos (15k i believe) are making that safe power...

i've got him on iggy anyways, but yeah i have to agree....as for the OP i definitely suggest a test drive is in order, i remember the first time i test drove a 370 before purchasing and instantly fell in love with the way the car felt and handled. I didnt care that it didnt have the most horsepower or was the fastest at anything, it just felt right the first time i sat in one and i have never looked back since, but to be fair i also did what the OP is doing and did my homework before purchasing unlike "SOME" people who bought purely for looks which is the stupidest way to buy a car in my opinion if you're going to live with the car on a daily basis for any period of time.