Muahahaha

Damn, that's nice.

Really, other than a few Porshces (and I HATE the bug-eyed headlights) the only other car that I like the lines better on would have to be a hardtop Z4.

That's good company for a humble Datusn to keep;a respectable, and high scoring 2nd place winner.

If Toyota/Subaru had made the "Scion concept" the primary body style (Prototype v. 3.0, rather than 2.0), I might have put the twins ahead of the Z, but given the final product we got, I place it at a comfortably distant 3rd.

:iagree: the car is just pretty.

on the subject of power, i think more so than hp it needs more torque. I think for a small sports car 330-380 bhp is plenty enough. Most people complain about the lack of "neck snapping" acceleration and that's something more torque would fix. In a good world the next z would be 3100 lbs, 370 bhp, 350 torque

What size spacers did you go with there? Just ordered 20mm all around for mine, can't wait to get a more flush look from the wheels & panels.

I think I did 15/20.

I'm pretty sure he had 20 mm rear and 15mm front

Exactly. And some of us didn't have to buy two more cars to realize it.:p lol Just messin witcha...
This is EXACTLY a compromise car. It will have most of what you want in every category, but will never have everything you want in one category.

Probably more of a support group :icon17:

I did 15/20 on the first 370 and 20/25 on the 2nd. of the two, I prefer the latter, OEM sport wheels and tires.

Chris Harris prefers cars that seem as though they are performing over ones that do. That's like preferring your vivid imagination and left hand over an actual willing sex partner.

Hm. So that means the Z is like having a hot chick who wants it and the FR-S is a bit like jerking off to a picture of one.

Somehow, those similes just ring true to me :p

I may go to 25mm in the rear if the 20mm doesn't look good enough for me. Not sure.

Chris cares more about driving fun than anything else, so I can see where he'd like the FRS more. You can push the hell out of that car in relative safety on the road!

I know when my S2K was on horribad all season tires it was SO much fun because it had NO grip at all. Trying to keep up with RandyD's 370 on Super Sports was a lot of fun because I was sliding all over the place at a relatively modest pace.

If I could do it over again I'd do 20/25. There is enough camber stock to prevent any rubbing issues. I wasn't sure when I ordered mine so I erred on the side of caution.

the top gear argument right there for fun. high hp sports/exotics are great, but you really can't enjoy them for what they are while obeying the law.

small hp, light weight cars you can be legal and having fun. :tup:

Agreed, that's gotta be its major strength. It's one of the sexiest cars ever designed.

That's what I had in my pics if you're just looking for a comparison.

on a different note:

As far as "what the Z is", I think Nissan is kind of torn over what they want the modern interpretation to be.

For me, the issue isn't necessarily "power" as much as it is power to weight ratio. The 240 and 280 were light cars with a moderate powerplant that drove like a dream. It seems to me that the 350 and 370 have gone away from this paradigm in the effort of chasing the bigger car/bigger engine crowd.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Z get quite a bit smaller and keep the same powerplant, or even downsize the engine (in hopes of getting a better front/rear weight ratio) to compensate for less weight.

The 370 is a "light" car in modern terms. I think they could make it a bit smaller and still appeal to their intended audience. Gas mileage, agility, and acceleration would all benefit.

I don't want to see the Z turn into a BRZ/FRS. I wouldn't mind seeing, though, a 2700-2800 pound machine with 300hp that scoots around like a go-kart.

I'd personally prefer that to a 400hp, 3600 pound monster. To me, the smaller/lighter/more agile car is more true to the Z's heritage rather than it turning into a V8 Mustang or M3 fighter.

I agree for the most part. We could say the car doesn't know what it wants to be, but maybe that's the whole point? A little bit of everything... for everyone? Just a thought.

I just got 15/ 20, so I'll see first hand if I could do more. :tup:

I think you nailed it. Perhaps Nissan is aiming for more of a broad appeal rather than mastering a certain segment.

Of course, as an enthusiast, I want the car to adhere to my 200 point specification checklist.

Want the Z to be more fun? Buy 17 inch, 7f/8r wide all season wheel/tires and turn vdc off.:rofl2: See if the Z doesn't throw its back out for everything.

I been inside an FRS and the cockpit is the dullest thing in the world. When you're not pushing the limits. The cockpit and commuter level power will put you to sleep for sure.

But then again I think that's the point of that car too. It's docile when you want it to be. Fling it around on some back roads, though, and it's very lively (although not fast).

I get it. Just not a fan. Wait... What really makes me not a fan is I cant understand how this car doesn't top out at $25,000??? $5,000 you're paying in RWD tax. lol. No thanks. This thing should start @ $22,000 and top out at $25,000. It doesn't deserve to be $3,000 under the Z even when fully loaded.

That was the original marketing price they set. And if they would have stuck by it. I wouldn't have anything to say. But $30,000 for this loaded is laughable... Honestly. Especially considering loaded means you have a screen and leather?:shakes head:

I don't have a problem with paying for performance when the price matches the performance. The BRZ/FRS doesn't make a case of justifying the price.

Frankly, they jumped the price because Nissan let them.

I can't justify the price either since I value performance for the dollar, but some people can so they get away with it.

Wow, this thread is a refreshing change of pace. I'm likely just parroting what others have said but the Z package of killer good looks, handling and speed is still hard to beat at its current price point.

Makes me really excited to see what happens in 2015. Rumors of American car manufacturers looking to cut weight and sleeker looking concept cars means there may be hope for Z like looks and handling with even more power. Maybe this competition will make Nissan wake the **** up and release a 3.0TT Z, one can dream.

Is it pretty much a sure thing that a new z will be out in 2015? Or is it just a rumor? Havent been up on Nissan news lately.

This, I can agree with 100%. The aesthetics of the car (both inside and out) are extremely pleasing to me, as well.

The American cars already handle better than the Z. Now they are fixing the looks. WIN!

Nissan needs to fix their car's performance, but I hope they leave the looks alone. It's already sexy.

The American cars have a long, long, loooooooooong way to go to make their interiors look good. I'm so disappointed in the outer and interior looks of American cars that I refused to even consider them in my new car purchase.

I've grown up, I don't need a lot of HP and no looks. I want the best of both worlds and the Z gives that to me, and with only two seats (I didn't want more than two, so that ruled out the G, etc.).

I agree, but unfortunately the market determines the price.

If they could sell the car for $60k and still have it sell, they would. Of course, it's nowhere worth that, but worth is judged in the eyes of the buyer.

It seems they're selling pretty well at this price point, so there's really no reason to alter the price (if not move it upward).

It's the same thing with Porches- they're not worth the money in terms of cost to the manufacturer. Porsche makes insane profit on their vehicles. It doesn't matter, though... people keep paying out the *** for it.

I'm glad Nissan decided to go the bang-for-your-buck route. That's something I can always get behind.

Makes no sense that you didn't get a Touring/NAV, if that is true.


The new American cars are getting it right. I bet the 2015 mustang Premium interior will be sickhouse, and the C7 interior already looks killer.

The Corvette has gotten a little better, I'll give you that. However, brown seats - yuck, and the exterior is ugly (see the new Stingray). Chevy is letting the Corvette get away from its roots.

The Mustang, Camaro, Charger, Challenger, etc. all are too boxy and toy-like.

And what's with the electronic e-brake? I don't know if I trust the longevity of that vs. a cable.


Edit: YOU did have the Corvette interior up, then ninja-editted it! :icon17:

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I don't think so at all.

If I bought a 370Z again I wouldn't choose the touring option again. Not a fan of how the leather wears (not good, in my experience). The cloth seats are high quality and feel like they grip better. They certainly breathe better.

And I would want to add my own sound system, as the Bose is junk.

Makes no sense that I just didn't go out and buy a Porsche 911 Turbo if that's true. :rolleyes:



I can't justify an extra $6-7k for leather seats and a lackluster nav. when I can purchase a better 2DIN and sound system for far less. As for the leather, it's not preferred here in Phoenix for obvious reasons. Is it nice? Yes, but too hot (you can't always have covered parking).

My seats are wearing fine so far at 18,xxx. Sound system is iffy, I got NAV for...the NAV.

I'd rather add my own double din nav or just use my garmin... or my phone with forever free map updates. :icon17:

In for pics of your 2DIN.

Tint the windows with ceramic. Love mine, even in 110* heat.

Plus, I have my phone for nav. if I need it. Why waste money on something I already have?

:iagree: I don't regret my 40th but I found that realistically the base+sport is better for the money. I paid extra for things like heated seats and heated mirrors (which i don't need in seasonal car), bose (which is ok, but not great), leather which looks nice, but wears easily and even worse scratches very easily.

However, the red interior in my z is full of win. :yum:

Meh. I'd rather buy a civic with turbo and upgraded suspension. Total Z slayer.:roflpuke2:

I'm going exhaust first it looks, so it'll be a while. :tup: