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Lukesevi94 03-15-2013 12:47 AM

The 370z confuses me...
 
Okay so basically I'm looking to sell my Eclipse (don't buy one they're horrible), and get a new car. I've narrowed my choices to either a 370z or a first gen CTS-V. What I don't understand is, the Cadillac, even though heavier, does 0-60 in 4.7 and the Z with only 270 torque, also does it in 4.7

How is this possible? My Eclipse has 260 torque and does 0-60 in the high 5s. How can a car with 270 torque be equal to 60 with a car that has 395??? ( the V)

Z_ealot 03-15-2013 12:49 AM

the 370Z is lighter than both cars you mentioned thats basically the gist of it

SE5spd 03-15-2013 01:03 AM

Because it does, who cares about 0-60?

axmea? 03-15-2013 01:04 AM

Get a Z. You're talking 1st gen cts v (that's 04 - 07) not the one's in the last 3 years. Unless you want a big trunk of course.

asdfsammich 03-15-2013 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SE5spd (Post 2214506)
Because it does, who cares about 0-60?

I think OP does lols.


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Lukesevi94 03-15-2013 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SE5spd (Post 2214506)
Because it does, who cares about 0-60?

Lol I care about 0-60, because I want a car that I can take to the track, then when I get bored of the track go to the drag strip. And vise versa. I simply asked 0-60 because I'm assuming the 1/4 goes to the CTS-V (400hp against 332).

So basically I want a car that is a track car and a drag car

asdfsammich 03-15-2013 01:47 AM

There are quiet a few members here that track their Zs. Search around and you'll find tons of information on it.

There are some things you'll need to do, like add an oil cooler, but essentially a Z is trackable close to stock.


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MR.nismo 03-15-2013 05:14 AM

Young padawan, the forces of the dark side will lead you into temptation. Thus much stronger you should be, 0-60 is not how a Jedi lives an eternal life. Master Jedi's live from 0-175 plus. May the force be with you! :driving:

Voice59 03-15-2013 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 2214588)
Young padawan, the forces of the dark side will lead you into temptation. Thus much stronger you should be, 0-60 is not how a Jedi lives an eternal life. Master Jedi's live from 0-175 plus. May the force be with you! :driving:

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my2004Z 03-15-2013 06:35 AM

Power to weight ratio, gearing, area under power/torque curves, and stunning looks are what give the 370Z an edge over most cars in my opinion. Get a Z and do the few mods needed to properly track the car and you will not be disappointed. :tiphat:

blackcherry20 03-15-2013 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by my2004Z (Post 2214609)
Power to weight ratio, gearing, area under power/torque curves, and stunning looks are what give the 370Z an edge over most cars in my opinion. Get a Z and do the few mods needed to properly track the car and you will not be disappointed. :tiphat:

:tup: true dat. :yum:

chknhawk 03-15-2013 07:15 AM

For the price I don't think you will find another car that will out perform the z. Hands down weight to power ratio... I mean.... 3000 pounds and 300 HP? With just as much torque. That's insane. Then when you lay underneath your car and admire the bracing and stock design you will know. I still think bone stock I could take a z to the track and burn a few cars. Tracking is not so much about pushing the car to the limit as it is about smooth control through the entire movement of curves, straights. Accel and decel along with braking. It should be a ballet not a crump session. MHO drag racing is cool too but I don't think one setup will work for track and drag. My brother drags his 350 and its pretty much set up for drag. It's also two completely different driving styles and techniques.

ajc1884 03-15-2013 07:26 AM

Cadillacs are for burnt out, boring, old men. Feel young, look young, drive a Z !!!!!! Feel like a new man!!!!!

CDepp 03-15-2013 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ajc1884 (Post 2214636)
Cadillacs are for burnt out, boring, old men. Feel young, look young, drive a Z !!!!!! Feel like a new man!!!!!

"This public wellness message brought to you by your friends at Forever Young LTD"copyright 1998

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chknhawk;2214628[COLOR="Red"
]For the price I don't think you will find another car that will out perform the z.[/COLOR] Hands down weight to power ratio... I mean.... 3000 pounds and 300 HP? With just as much torque. That's insane. Then when you lay underneath your car and admire the bracing and stock design you will know. I still think bone stock I could take a z to the track and burn a few cars. Tracking is not so much about pushing the car to the limit as it is about smooth control through the entire movement of curves, straights. Accel and decel along with braking. It should be a ballet not a crump session. MHO drag racing is cool too but I don't think one setup will work for track and drag. My brother drags his 350 and its pretty much set up for drag. It's also two completely different driving styles and techniques.

The camaro 1LE is putting down track times similar to the $200k mercedes SLS AMG and it's $38,000. So on a track... Yeah the Z is being demolished by this. So is the mustang track pack. :tup:

2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE: Best Handling Camaro Ever! - Ignition Episode 48 - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=YDU_TQXH4JY

clintfocus 03-15-2013 12:29 PM

370's belong on road courses, and in that case will outshine CTS V and Camaro

7speed 03-15-2013 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukesevi94 (Post 2214493)
Okay so basically I'm looking to sell my Eclipse (don't buy one they're horrible), and get a new car. I've narrowed my choices to either a 370z or a first gen CTS-V. What I don't understand is, the Cadillac, even though heavier, does 0-60 in 4.7 and the Z with only 270 torque, also does it in 4.7

How is this possible? My Eclipse has 260 torque and does 0-60 in the high 5s. How can a car with 270 torque be equal to 60 with a car that has 395??? ( the V)

I think you answered your own question.

But as far as modding, CTS V will show more gains for engine mods. But that V is generation back so its gonna feel much different than a newer V , or
370. You will just have to drive and see. I'm not sure if it will be your only car but 370z as a daily driver or for carrying people/cargo has its limitations vs a coupe or 4dr car.

kenchan 03-15-2013 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR.nismo (Post 2214588)
Young padawan, the forces of the dark side will lead you into temptation. Thus much stronger you should be, 0-60 is not how a Jedi lives an eternal life. Master Jedi's live from 0-175 plus. May the force be with you! :driving:

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lemon-fresh 03-15-2013 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2214643)
The camaro 1LE is putting down track times similar to the $200k mercedes SLS AMG and it's $38,000. So on a track... Yeah the Z is being demolished by this. So is the mustang track pack. :tup:

2013 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE: Best Handling Camaro Ever! - Ignition Episode 48 - YouTube

2013 Lightning Lap - LL2 Class - CAR and DRIVER - YouTube

Enough with the camaro dude, most people don't wanna drive a boat. If you want drag and track save yourself the trouble and get a 5.0 (for cheap).

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh (Post 2215578)
Enough with the camaro dude, most people don't wanna drive a boat. If you want drag and track save yourself the trouble and get a 5.0 (for cheap).


Just stating a proven track fact that you stang fanboys cant handle.:gtfo2:

m4a1mustang 03-15-2013 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by clintfocus (Post 2215254)
370's belong on road courses, and in that case will outshine CTS V and Camaro

CTS-V and Camaro both best the Z on a road course.

m4a1mustang 03-15-2013 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukesevi94 (Post 2214493)
Okay so basically I'm looking to sell my Eclipse (don't buy one they're horrible), and get a new car. I've narrowed my choices to either a 370z or a first gen CTS-V. What I don't understand is, the Cadillac, even though heavier, does 0-60 in 4.7 and the Z with only 270 torque, also does it in 4.7

How is this possible? My Eclipse has 260 torque and does 0-60 in the high 5s. How can a car with 270 torque be equal to 60 with a car that has 395??? ( the V)

There are so many more factors involved in performance besides HP/TQ.

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintfocus (Post 2215254)
370's belong on road courses, and in that case will outshine CTS V and Camaro

I provide you the info in links ans STILL....

Dude the Z doesn't belong on a track against a 1LE or a mustang track pack...

A challenger R/T?? Yeah the Z got it. But you guys are Z dilusional. Seriously. And if you gonna track your Z. PM me for a mod list. Cuz you may azz out on the track bruh.

Z_ealot 03-15-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2215698)
I provide you the info in links ans STILL....

Dude the Z doesn't belong on a track against a 1LE or a mustang track pack...

A challenger R/T?? Yeah the Z got it. But you guys are Z dilusional. Seriously. And if you gonna track your Z. PM me for a mod list. Cuz you may azz out on the track bruh.

personally i dont care if the camaro 1LE is faster than the Z, theres just something about the camaros current dimensions that makes me feel disconnected from the car whereas in the Z you feel closer to the road somehow.

m4a1mustang 03-15-2013 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2215748)
personally i dont care if the camaro 1LE is faster than the Z, theres just something about the camaros current dimensions that makes me feel disconnected from the car whereas in the Z you feel closer to the road somehow.

Rightfully so. It doesn't matter who is faster as long as you enjoy what you drive.

Boss_302 03-15-2013 06:10 PM

If you want to feel some real road conection, drive an openwheel car like a formular ford.

JungleZ 03-15-2013 06:37 PM

Fuk ford I want used zo6

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2215748)
personally i dont care if the camaro 1LE is faster than the Z, theres just something about the camaros current dimensions that makes me feel disconnected from the car whereas in the Z you feel closer to the road somehow.

The ZL-1 and 1LE packages give that connection. But why in this place we gotta have extreme Z lovers and Extreme mustang jockers. Why can't we appreciate the strengths in different cars.

You guys talk like the Z is the ONLY connected car on the road. I call BS on that.

I love my Z and in history, I got into some serious Z defending fights. but just because I love the z's attributes... Does this mean I can't appreciate other cars attributes???

Besides if you haven't test driven the 1LE???? How do you know??? The SS and 1LE feel like different cars dude. Making comparisons on a car yo've never driven???

SS_Firehawk 03-15-2013 06:45 PM

This thread is about the OP's fascination of an irrelevant 0-60 time between two completely different cars thinking torque is the only thing that matters. Remember horsepower is the amount of work done in a given amount of time, torque is just force applied. One is not without the other. Stop looking at stupid metrics that don't matter and test drive them. Magazine racers... SMH

JungleZ 03-15-2013 06:48 PM

I would love to drive the Camaro, I'm seriously disappointed in this manual z. The automatic z"s I drove felt faster than mine even with a fi exhaust. Nissan should stick to automatics

clintfocus 03-15-2013 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2215682)
CTS-V and Camaro both best the Z on a road course.

Ru comparing current CTS-V or first gen CTS-V? stock for stock both the CTS and the Camaro come more power, but also more weight. The suspension geometry on the 370 is MUCH better then the camaro any day, the CTS has good suspension geo, but big weight penatly and the 1st gen CTS V's cant fit big rubber under stock body and have crap bolt pattern

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2215698)
I provide you the info in links ans STILL....

Dude the Z doesn't belong on a track against a 1LE or a mustang track pack...

A challenger R/T?? Yeah the Z got it. But you guys are Z dilusional. Seriously. And if you gonna track your Z. PM me for a mod list. Cuz you may azz out on the track bruh.


I already track my Z, and run pretty damn fast already, and my mod list isnt even all that crazy. A experineced driver and a proper setup on the 370 can destroy alot on a road course thanks to the well enginneer chassis from the factory. Car fits big rubber to support its weight, has great camber curve dynamics front and rear, bump steer is minimal, rear anti sqaut is minimal, and the short wheel base makes it transition well

Nailzs 03-15-2013 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajc1884 (Post 2214636)
Cadillacs are for burnt out, boring, old men. Feel young, look young, drive a Z !!!!!! Feel like a new man!!!!!

Are a car salesman?

Z_ealot 03-15-2013 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2215933)
The ZL-1 and 1LE packages give that connection. But why in this place we gotta have extreme Z lovers and Extreme mustang jockers. Why can't we appreciate the strengths in different cars.

You guys talk like the Z is the ONLY connected car on the road. I call BS on that.

I love my Z and in history, I got into some serious Z defending fights. but just because I love the z's attributes... Does this mean I can't appreciate other cars attributes???

Besides if you haven't test driven the 1LE???? How do you know??? The SS and 1LE feel like different cars dude. Making comparisons on a car yo've never driven???

dude i wasnt even talking about the driving characteristics of the 1LE and i'll be the first to admit its a great performer and just may provide the same road feel as the Z or better, but i was speaking more to the actual size of the car so dont get your panties all up in a bunch about it...the Z for me is just the right size for my personal tastes while the camaro is just a tad to big for my liking thats all.

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintfocus (Post 2215956)
Ru comparing current CTS-V or first gen CTS-V? stock for stock both the CTS and the Camaro come more power, but also more weight. The suspension geometry on the 370 is MUCH better then the camaro any day, the CTS has good suspension geo, but big weight penatly and the 1st gen CTS V's cant fit big rubber under stock body and have crap bolt pattern




I already track my Z, and run pretty damn fast already, and my mod list isnt even all that crazy. A experineced driver and a proper setup on the 370 can destroy alot on a road course thanks to the well enginneer chassis from the factory. Car fits big rubber to support its weight, has great camber curve dynamics front and rear, bump steer is minimal, rear anti sqaut is minimal, and the short wheel base makes it transition well

Mine isn't set up crazy but it needs to be done... That was my point. It's not like we're buying track ready cars.. :tup:

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2216019)
dude i wasnt even talking about the driving characteristics of the 1LE and i'll be the first to admit its a great performer and just may provide the same road feel as the Z or better, but i was speaking more to the actual size of the car so dont get your panties all up in a bunch about it...the Z for me is just the right size for my personal tastes while the camaro is just a tad to big for my liking thats all.

I'm too long for panties but thanks... lol I'm just saying though dude. I prefer my car too but that 1LE puts it down and it's like people keep talkin' shyt just cuz I mention it as an example of a car seriously putting it down on the track bone stock (View lemon-fresh)... So you caught the brunt of it dude. My bad.

UNKNOWN_370 03-15-2013 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JungleZ (Post 2215950)
I would love to drive the Camaro, I'm seriously disappointed in this manual z. The automatic z"s I drove felt faster than mine even with a fi exhaust. Nissan should stick to automatics

You can feel the torque a lot more in the automatic Z. So if you value responsiveness and a powerful feeling from the engine? The auto is a better bet.

NissanGuy23 03-15-2013 11:08 PM

m1a4 and unknown have a habbit of just destroying any thread they come into, shoving mustang and camaros down everyones throats

m4a1mustang 03-15-2013 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NissanGuy23 (Post 2216222)
m1a4 and unknown have a habbit of just destroying any thread they come into, shoving mustang and camaros down everyones throats

Eh. I just correct misinformation when I see it. Not shoving anything down anyone's throat.

clintfocus 03-15-2013 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2216212)
Mine isn't set up crazy but it needs to be done... That was my point. It's not like we're buying track ready cars.. :tup:

no stock car is really track ready with a fast driver behind the wheel, some are better setup then some like a Boss 302 laguna seca compaired to a ....base model 370 LOL, but yeah ive done stuff to my 370 to get it whre i want.

my point is i feel he Z34 chassis gets over looked because "o it needs a oil cooler" when in fact is has incredible suspension geometry and houses wide rubber. It has a high level of potential with not alot put into it, similar to S2k( when it comes to road course pace)

forza370z 03-16-2013 01:11 AM

The ostrich confuse me...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lukesevi94 (Post 2214493)
Okay so basically I'm looking to sell my Eclipse (don't buy one they're horrible), and get a new car. I've narrowed my choices to either a 370z or a first gen CTS-V. What I don't understand is, the Cadillac, even though heavier, does 0-60 in 4.7 and the Z with only 270 torque, also does it in 4.7

How is this possible? My Eclipse has 260 torque and does 0-60 in the high 5s. How can a car with 270 torque be equal to 60 with a car that has 395??? ( the V)

While an elephant has 4 strong legs and the awesome power to crash down a tree, how can an ostrich beat an elephant in 0-60 time with its broomstick-like 2 legs? How is this possible?

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