Build Quality Issues

Jaws12 · 07-16-2009, 09:33 PM

Reading the replies to my original post is making me a bit annoyed.

First of all, I agree with the fact that "Quality" has nothing to do with features.

I have owned all of the high-end sports cars accept Aston Martin, Lambo, and Ferrari. I currently own a 2008 C2S Cab and I have owned many P-cars, Vettes, AMGs, M cars, XKR, Maserati, etc... I am fortunate enough to afford whatever car I choose.

If you think quality has to do with features than Porsche would have awful quality. Unless you pay crazy prices for options they come pretty bare bones (manual seats, crappy stereo, no bluetooth, no heated seats, etc...). But the car screams quality because it is put together well.

Vettes have terrible quality and they are priced much higher than a Z. Crappy interior, outdated NAV/Stereo, awful seats, etc... They rattle and squeak like crazy. Great car, great fun, but quality is sad.

I bought the Z as a daily driver that is fun, comfortable, and reliable. I can leave it at the airport or shopping mall and not panic about whats happening with it. But it still is a $40k car (fully loaded) or at worst a mid-$30ks car) and should be assembled as well as an Infiniti or Lexus in the same price range, considering it is made in Japan in the same factory as the G37 I believe. To me the car's greatest selling points are the bang for buck factor and the beautiful lines of the car. Great value. But if it isn't put together well it ruins the experience, and, quite honestly, the competition in this pricepoint is fierce (RX8, Camaro SS, Base Vette, G, Z4, Mustang GT, Genesis Coupe, 135, etc...) and, while I chose the Z and feel it is the better of all of the competition, I expect to have a car that is put together well.

After 1 week, I have had the original car replaced because of a huge paint defect from the factory, the factory splash guards not fit properly, the body panels not aligned, crooked exhaust tips. All minor and easily fixed, but makes me worry about reliability and longevity.

Sorry so long, but I don't like when people where blinders or feel the need to justify deficiencies so they dont feel inferior. Expect quality and demand it, you will be suprised how much you get.

havasuwiley · 07-20-2009, 11:47 PM

i think fit and finish are fine on the 370z,much better than my 03 vette,wifes 09 maxima is tight,but has large trunk gaps.

mrarroyo · 07-21-2009, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by havasuwiley

i think fit and finish are fine on the 370z,much better than my 03 vette,wifes 09 maxima is tight,but has large trunk gaps.

Interesting, I find that my 04 Vette was better put together than the 370Z.

Pushing_Tin · 07-21-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mrarroyo

Interesting, I find that my 04 Vette was better put together than the 370Z.

I test drove a new 08 C6 and coldn't believe how craptastic the intertior was! It was one of the deciding factors in not buying one. It also had condensation in BOTH headlights.

edeeZee · 07-21-2009, 09:27 AM

The Japanese are renowned for being assiduous when working and do not mess around. Americans on the other hand aren't really the opposite, but we're not quite up to par with the Japanese in that sense. Sorry, I don't mean to sound unpatriotic. I do not speak from hearsay or 2nd hand experience. When I was in the Marines stationed in Japan for a year, I seen how the Japanese culture instill in its people seriousness when working. Go to a fast food restaurant in Japan and you'll see what I mean. Typically, in an American fast food restaurant, the people who work there show reluctance and drag their feet--they do a sh&tty job in a cursory, botched manner many times.

I remember in college, in my statistics class, my professor started with an anecdote the very first day of class. He explained why the Japanese economy during the 60's,70's and into the 80's was on the verge of eclipsing the U.S. The Japanese are the "masters of mass production" I recall him saying. To make the long story short, he said the Japanese control variances (keep it to a minimum) in mass production perhaps better than any other industrialized country in the world, hence their reputation for building durable automobiles, electronics and other consumer products.

Sorry for my digression. I coincidently have the exact same problem as the TS in how my body panels don't line up perfect, the driver side side skirt. I'm going to overlook this because I don't want to work myself over this. And I agree with the 2nd post, this ain't a $100,000+ high end Euro car, you get what you pay for--an affordable sports car trying to emulate a $100,000 sports car.

SiXK · 07-21-2009, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaws12

Reading the replies to my original post is making me a bit annoyed.

First of all, I agree with the fact that "Quality" has nothing to do with features.

I have owned all of the high-end sports cars accept Aston Martin, Lambo, and Ferrari. I currently own a 2008 C2S Cab and I have owned many P-cars, Vettes, AMGs, M cars, XKR, Maserati, etc... I am fortunate enough to afford whatever car I choose.

If you think quality has to do with features than Porsche would have awful quality. Unless you pay crazy prices for options they come pretty bare bones (manual seats, crappy stereo, no bluetooth, no heated seats, etc...). But the car screams quality because it is put together well.

Vettes have terrible quality and they are priced much higher than a Z. Crappy interior, outdated NAV/Stereo, awful seats, etc... They rattle and squeak like crazy. Great car, great fun, but quality is sad.

I bought the Z as a daily driver that is fun, comfortable, and reliable. I can leave it at the airport or shopping mall and not panic about whats happening with it. But it still is a $40k car (fully loaded) or at worst a mid-$30ks car) and should be assembled as well as an Infiniti or Lexus in the same price range, considering it is made in Japan in the same factory as the G37 I believe. To me the car's greatest selling points are the bang for buck factor and the beautiful lines of the car. Great value. But if it isn't put together well it ruins the experience, and, quite honestly, the competition in this pricepoint is fierce (RX8, Camaro SS, Base Vette, G, Z4, Mustang GT, Genesis Coupe, 135, etc...) and, while I chose the Z and feel it is the better of all of the competition, I expect to have a car that is put together well.

After 1 week, I have had the original car replaced because of a huge paint defect from the factory, the factory splash guards not fit properly, the body panels not aligned, crooked exhaust tips. All minor and easily fixed, but makes me worry about reliability and longevity.

Sorry so long, but I don't like when people where blinders or feel the need to justify deficiencies so they dont feel inferior. Expect quality and demand it, you will be suprised how much you get.

I agree with you that the car should be put together well. parts should fit. To answer your question, I do not have any of those issues with mine. The body panels are fine, everything is straight - the exhaust, splash shields, etc... I wonder if your car took a bump or something that knocked some stuff out of whack? Overall the build quality of this car is good IMO. I do have one slight rattle from the trunk area.

Robert_Nash · 07-21-2009, 01:04 PM

With the possible exception of a hand-built vehicle where attention to fit and finish is beyond meticulous; any car at any price level can (and some will) have fit/finish issues; it's simply the nature of mass production...manufacturers try to catch such things before they leave the factory floor but I doubt any manufacturer catches them all no matter how hard they try.

Overall, Japanese built vehicles have a high fit and finish grade but that does not mean that there won't be problems on some individual vehicles and that is assuming, of course, that any body-panel misalignment, etc. stems from the assembly itself and not from any other factors that can contribute.

To the OP; I hope you get whatever issues you do have addressed by your dealer!

cave vulture · 07-21-2009, 01:27 PM

How about that trunk rattle? Mine seems to be coming from the passenger side rear. Anybody got any ideas what might be causing the rattle?

Alexus · 07-21-2009, 01:30 PM

You should also keep in mind that as you put the km on your car, the pannels might shift a little under the flex and strain. This can be good or bad, but I'm just putting it out there.

initialgemini · 07-21-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaws12

Reading the replies to my original post is making me a bit annoyed.

First of all, I agree with the fact that "Quality" has nothing to do with features.

I have owned all of the high-end sports cars accept Aston Martin, Lambo, and Ferrari. I currently own a 2008 C2S Cab and I have owned many P-cars, Vettes, AMGs, M cars, XKR, Maserati, etc... I am fortunate enough to afford whatever car I choose.

If you think quality has to do with features than Porsche would have awful quality. Unless you pay crazy prices for options they come pretty bare bones (manual seats, crappy stereo, no bluetooth, no heated seats, etc...). But the car screams quality because it is put together well.

Vettes have terrible quality and they are priced much higher than a Z. Crappy interior, outdated NAV/Stereo, awful seats, etc... They rattle and squeak like crazy. Great car, great fun, but quality is sad.

I bought the Z as a daily driver that is fun, comfortable, and reliable. I can leave it at the airport or shopping mall and not panic about whats happening with it. But it still is a $40k car (fully loaded) or at worst a mid-$30ks car) and should be assembled as well as an Infiniti or Lexus in the same price range, considering it is made in Japan in the same factory as the G37 I believe. To me the car's greatest selling points are the bang for buck factor and the beautiful lines of the car. Great value. But if it isn't put together well it ruins the experience, and, quite honestly, the competition in this pricepoint is fierce (RX8, Camaro SS, Base Vette, G, Z4, Mustang GT, Genesis Coupe, 135, etc...) and, while I chose the Z and feel it is the better of all of the competition, I expect to have a car that is put together well.

After 1 week, I have had the original car replaced because of a huge paint defect from the factory, the factory splash guards not fit properly, the body panels not aligned, crooked exhaust tips. All minor and easily fixed, but makes me worry about reliability and longevity.

Sorry so long, but I don't like when people where blinders or feel the need to justify deficiencies so they dont feel inferior. Expect quality and demand it, you will be suprised how much you get.

I agree with you. Unfortunately, not everyone has the same expectations for quality and to be fair, we all rate quality in different ways.

need4speed · 07-22-2009, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaws12

Reading the replies to my original post is making me a bit annoyed.

First of all, I agree with the fact that "Quality" has nothing to do with features.

I have owned all of the high-end sports cars accept Aston Martin, Lambo, and Ferrari. I currently own a 2008 C2S Cab and I have owned many P-cars, Vettes, AMGs, M cars, XKR, Maserati, etc... I am fortunate enough to afford whatever car I choose.

If you think quality has to do with features than Porsche would have awful quality. Unless you pay crazy prices for options they come pretty bare bones (manual seats, crappy stereo, no bluetooth, no heated seats, etc...). But the car screams quality because it is put together well.

Vettes have terrible quality and they are priced much higher than a Z. Crappy interior, outdated NAV/Stereo, awful seats, etc... They rattle and squeak like crazy. Great car, great fun, but quality is sad.

I bought the Z as a daily driver that is fun, comfortable, and reliable. I can leave it at the airport or shopping mall and not panic about whats happening with it. But it still is a $40k car (fully loaded) or at worst a mid-$30ks car) and should be assembled as well as an Infiniti or Lexus in the same price range, considering it is made in Japan in the same factory as the G37 I believe. To me the car's greatest selling points are the bang for buck factor and the beautiful lines of the car. Great value. But if it isn't put together well it ruins the experience, and, quite honestly, the competition in this pricepoint is fierce (RX8, Camaro SS, Base Vette, G, Z4, Mustang GT, Genesis Coupe, 135, etc...) and, while I chose the Z and feel it is the better of all of the competition, I expect to have a car that is put together well.

After 1 week, I have had the original car replaced because of a huge paint defect from the factory, the factory splash guards not fit properly, the body panels not aligned, crooked exhaust tips. All minor and easily fixed, but makes me worry about reliability and longevity.

Sorry so long, but I don't like when people where blinders or feel the need to justify deficiencies so they dont feel inferior. Expect quality and demand it, you will be suprised how much you get.

Well said. Well spoken. Whether we agree or disagree ( which I mostly agree) we ahould respect peoples opinions and have discussions with respect.
I can tell by the way a lot of people write on here. They need this car to define them as a man.
The lack of respect for peoples opinion in the forum is gettin outta control.
Everyone in here is a lover of the same car. Whether we have positive or negative posts.
We should do it to aid in uplifting the brand. Not belittling each others opinions.
We will all have different experiences in life. Share n help or give ur experience.
End the mocking and downtalking already.
If owning a Z makes u a better man in your mind? Then u r still not a man yet.
A real man is defined by the respect he has for self and others.

tommyguns · 07-22-2009, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by need4speed

Well said. Well spoken. Whether we agree or disagree ( which I mostly agree) we ahould respect peoples opinions and have discussions with respect.
I can tell by the way a lot of people write on here. They need this car to define them as a man.
The lack of respect for peoples opinion in the forum is gettin outta control.
Everyone in here is a lover of the same car. Whether we have positive or negative posts.
We should do it to aid in uplifting the brand. Not belittling each others opinions.
We will all have different experiences in life. Share n help or give ur experience.
End the mocking and downtalking already.
If owning a Z makes u a better man in your mind? Then u r still not a man yet.
A real man is defined by the respect he has for self and others.

BRAVO!

ZKindaGuy · 07-22-2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by need4speed

Well said. Well spoken. Whether we agree or disagree ( which I mostly agree) we ahould respect peoples opinions and have discussions with respect.
I can tell by the way a lot of people write on here. They need this car to define them as a man.
The lack of respect for peoples opinion in the forum is gettin outta control.
Everyone in here is a lover of the same car. Whether we have positive or negative posts.
We should do it to aid in uplifting the brand. Not belittling each others opinions.
We will all have different experiences in life. Share n help or give ur experience.
End the mocking and downtalking already.
If owning a Z makes u a better man in your mind? Then u r still not a man yet.
A real man is defined by the respect he has for self and others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyguns

BRAVO!

Now I call all that

. I will respect the fact that a person can post an opinion....but I don't have to respect the fact foundation of an argument they are making in their posting no matter if we own or like the same car or not.

Attacking what the person says is not attacking the person. Unfortunately you and a majority of others who have bought into the

idea of POLITICAL CORRECT communication have grossly mistaken the two entirely different things as being one-and-the-same.

I don't have a problem with the person posting an opinion..but when some one posts something and then bolsters their statement with some illogical non-fact pattern or some statistical measure that is pulled right out of the poster's

then yes I am going to attack the argument. And yes I might even fling a little personal piece of poo at them too since I had to wade through the uninformed and unsupported

they used to support their opinion.

If a person is going to post an opinion, then in my books, make it an educated opinion...not something completely pulled from their heart, butt or from some magician's hat.

Modshack · 07-23-2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy

I don't have a problem with the person posting an opinion..but when some one posts something and then bolsters their statement with some illogical non-fact pattern or some statistical measure that is pulled right out of the poster's

then yes I am going to attack the argument. And yes I might even fling a little personal piece of poo at them too since I had to wade through the uninformed and unsupported

they used to support their opinion.

If a person is going to post an opinion, then in my books, make it an educated opinion...not something completely pulled from their heart, butt or from some magician's hat.

LOL....I Think I know of whom you speak...

07-16-2009, 09:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jaws12 Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 31 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 15	Reading the replies to my original post is making me a bit annoyed. First of all, I agree with the fact that "Quality" has nothing to do with features. I have owned all of the high-end sports cars accept Aston Martin, Lambo, and Ferrari. I currently own a 2008 C2S Cab and I have owned many P-cars, Vettes, AMGs, M cars, XKR, Maserati, etc... I am fortunate enough to afford whatever car I choose. If you think quality has to do with features than Porsche would have awful quality. Unless you pay crazy prices for options they come pretty bare bones (manual seats, crappy stereo, no bluetooth, no heated seats, etc...). But the car screams quality because it is put together well. Vettes have terrible quality and they are priced much higher than a Z. Crappy interior, outdated NAV/Stereo, awful seats, etc... They rattle and squeak like crazy. Great car, great fun, but quality is sad. I bought the Z as a daily driver that is fun, comfortable, and reliable. I can leave it at the airport or shopping mall and not panic about whats happening with it. But it still is a $40k car (fully loaded) or at worst a mid-$30ks car) and should be assembled as well as an Infiniti or Lexus in the same price range, considering it is made in Japan in the same factory as the G37 I believe. To me the car's greatest selling points are the bang for buck factor and the beautiful lines of the car. Great value. But if it isn't put together well it ruins the experience, and, quite honestly, the competition in this pricepoint is fierce (RX8, Camaro SS, Base Vette, G, Z4, Mustang GT, Genesis Coupe, 135, etc...) and, while I chose the Z and feel it is the better of all of the competition, I expect to have a car that is put together well. After 1 week, I have had the original car replaced because of a huge paint defect from the factory, the factory splash guards not fit properly, the body panels not aligned, crooked exhaust tips. All minor and easily fixed, but makes me worry about reliability and longevity. Sorry so long, but I don't like when people where blinders or feel the need to justify deficiencies so they dont feel inferior. Expect quality and demand it, you will be suprised how much you get. __________________ 2009 370Z Touring, Sport, 7AT, Mats, Splash Guards,Leguna Blue/Black

07-21-2009, 01:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
Robert_Nash Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Middle TN/Savannah GA Posts: 762 Drives: '14 Q60IPL/'14Armada Rep Power: 17	With the possible exception of a hand-built vehicle where attention to fit and finish is beyond meticulous; any car at any price level can (and some will) have fit/finish issues; it's simply the nature of mass production...manufacturers try to catch such things before they leave the factory floor but I doubt any manufacturer catches them all no matter how hard they try. Overall, Japanese built vehicles have a high fit and finish grade but that does not mean that there won't be problems on some individual vehicles and that is assuming, of course, that any body-panel misalignment, etc. stems from the assembly itself and not from any other factors that can contribute. To the OP; I hope you get whatever issues you do have addressed by your dealer! __________________ Robert -My Basset Hound Is Smarter Than Your Honor Student and Barack Obama -

07-21-2009, 01:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
cave vulture Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: pennsylvania Posts: 427 Drives: 370z tour,sport,auto Rep Power: 15	Trunk rattle.... How about that trunk rattle? Mine seems to be coming from the passenger side rear. Anybody got any ideas what might be causing the rattle?

07-21-2009, 01:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Alexus Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Montreal, QC Posts: 178 Drives: The Beast Rep Power: 16	You should also keep in mind that as you put the km on your car, the pannels might shift a little under the flex and strain. This can be good or bad, but I'm just putting it out there. __________________ "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -General George S. Patton Jr., 1885-1945

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edeeZee Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: s. cali, los angeles Posts: 627 Drives: 09 370z plat 6 speed Rep Power: 266	The Japanese are renowned for being assiduous when working and do not mess around. Americans on the other hand aren't really the opposite, but we're not quite up to par with the Japanese in that sense. Sorry, I don't mean to sound unpatriotic. I do not speak from hearsay or 2nd hand experience. When I was in the Marines stationed in Japan for a year, I seen how the Japanese culture instill in its people seriousness when working. Go to a fast food restaurant in Japan and you'll see what I mean. Typically, in an American fast food restaurant, the people who work there show reluctance and drag their feet--they do a sh&tty job in a cursory, botched manner many times. I remember in college, in my statistics class, my professor started with an anecdote the very first day of class. He explained why the Japanese economy during the 60's,70's and into the 80's was on the verge of eclipsing the U.S. The Japanese are the "masters of mass production" I recall him saying. To make the long story short, he said the Japanese control variances (keep it to a minimum) in mass production perhaps better than any other industrialized country in the world, hence their reputation for building durable automobiles, electronics and other consumer products. Sorry for my digression. I coincidently have the exact same problem as the TS in how my body panels don't line up perfect, the driver side side skirt. I'm going to overlook this because I don't want to work myself over this. And I agree with the 2nd post, this ain't a $100,000+ high end Euro car, you get what you pay for--an affordable sports car trying to emulate a $100,000 sports car.