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R0bDC 01-15-2013 11:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fzgood (Post 2113431)
I'm driving my first MT car too. About 2.5 months into ownership and I can feel my shifts getting smoother, more natural, and just better, but I know there's a long way to go.

I've let a couple other people drive my car and the car is smooth as silk.

If I hadn't done this, I probably would have doubts, just like OP, as to how smooth the car can be.

If you have someone you can trust, go for a ride with them. It's definitely worth finding out if the problem is the driver, not the car. While you're at it, pick up some tips.
I had both my brothers who have been driving manual cars 10+ years and my friend who has been driving for 3 years. I feel I'm as good if not better than them, Its rare when I have the issue. I honestly do feel its the car more than its me, but time will tell. And when I change the trasmission oil that will hopefully help.

Lastly the only thing I have not been able to pick up so well is Taking off Super Fast! The first time I let my friend drive the car he took off so fast and when he shifted gears my head you went back and hit againsnt the sit like in the movies Crazy. I have yet to replicate that.

forza370z 01-16-2013 12:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2113441)
I had both my brothers who have been driving manual cars 10+ years and my friend who has been driving for 3 years. I feel I'm as good if not better than them, Its rare when I have the issue. I honestly do feel its the car more than its me, but time will tell. And when I change the trasmission oil that will hopefully help.

Lastly the only thing I have not been able to pick up so well is Taking off Super Fast! The first time I let my friend drive the car he took off so fast and when he shifted gears my head you went back and hit againsnt the sit like in the movies Crazy. I have yet to replicate that.
1. Turn of VDC.
2. Rev up to 5k.
3. Dump the clutch.

R0bDC 01-16-2013 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by forza370z (Post 2113455)
1. Turn of VDC.
2. Rev up to 5k.
3. Dump the clutch.
Sounds scary! I'm not ready lol I really need to find a track in my area so I can go top speed and learn drifting, etc

forza370z 01-16-2013 12:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2113461)
Sounds scary! I'm not ready lol I really need to find a track in my area so I can go top speed and learn drifting, etc
Just kidding man.:icon17: Don't do it in public road! Yes, do it on the track or drag strip. I actually did rev up to 3k dump the clutch and the fun factor is 10 out of 10.:tup:

Haboob 01-16-2013 07:20 AM
Pfft, the only thing keeping me from playing around like that is tire wear and the price of new tires. :icon17:

Gonna baby it for a while and get as much out of these tires as I can.

scope22 01-16-2013 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2113441)
I had both my brothers who have been driving manual cars 10+ years and my friend who has been driving for 3 years. I feel I'm as good if not better than them, Its rare when I have the issue. I honestly do feel its the car more than its me, but time will tell. And when I change the trasmission oil that will hopefully help.

Lastly the only thing I have not been able to pick up so well is Taking off Super Fast! The first time I let my friend drive the car he took off so fast and when he shifted gears my head you went back and hit againsnt the sit like in the movies Crazy. I have yet to replicate that.
What is your way of taking of fast?

kenchan 01-16-2013 08:39 AM
my question is... is robdc really ready for the Z?

JARblue 01-16-2013 10:16 AM
I did some basic obsevations on my way to work this morning. With SRM on or off, I get the same results. Smooth gear shifts under casual driving requires the following

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1st gear accelerate to 4000 RPMs should be about 20 mph and push in the clutch. Shift to 2nd gear and release the clutch pedal as the RPMs drop to ~2800 (release steadily, not necessarily slowly, but not dumping it either).

2nd gear accelerate to 4000 RPMs should be about 35 mph and push in the clutch. Shift to 3rd gear and release the clutch pedal as the RPMs drop to about ~2500.

If you change the 4000 RPM shift to 3000 RPMs then the engine RPMs will drop to ~2400 and ~1900 for 2nd and 3rd gears, respectively. Watch the tach needle when you release the clutch and see if it jerks slightly up or down before settling at the engine's desired RPM - if you see this or you hear the engine rev itself those are indications that you missed the butter zone for the shift (this is easier to see when the RPMs drop below the ideal mark)

Note that all pedals should be operated smoothly without mashing on them or dumping them. My recommendation if you can't get to a track is find a large enough empty parking lot and practice these shifts (include 4th too if you have room)

6MT 01-16-2013 10:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by forza370z (Post 2113455)
1. Turn of VDC.
2. Rev up to 5k.
3. Dump the clutch.
That's just silly!

scope22 01-16-2013 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2113839)
I did some basic obsevations on my way to work this morning. With SRM on or off, I get the same results. Smooth gear shifts under casual driving requires the following

( Click to show/hide )
1st gear accelerate to 4000 RPMs should be about 20 mph and push in the clutch. Shift to 2nd gear and release the clutch pedal as the RPMs drop to ~2800 (release steadily, not necessarily slowly, but not dumping it either).

2nd gear accelerate to 4000 RPMs should be about 35 mph and push in the clutch. Shift to 3rd gear and release the clutch pedal as the RPMs drop to about ~2500.

If you change the 4000 RPM shift to 3000 RPMs then the engine RPMs will drop to ~2400 and ~1900 for 2nd and 3rd gears, respectively. Watch the tach needle when you release the clutch and see if it jerks slightly up or down before settling at the engine's desired RPM - if you see this or you hear the engine rev itself those are indications that you missed the butter zone for the shift (this is easier to see when the RPMs drop below the ideal mark)

Note that all pedals should be operated smoothly without mashing on them or dumping them. My recommendation if you can't get to a track is find a large enough empty parking lot and practice these shifts (include 4th too if you have room)
i think alot of daily drivers don't like to revup to 4k

JARblue 01-16-2013 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2113871)
i think alot of daily drivers don't like to revup to 4k
Which is why I gave the details for a 3000 RPM shift as well :tiphat:

Haboob 01-16-2013 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2113839)
I did some basic obsevations on my way to work this morning. With SRM on or off, I get the same results. Smooth gear shifts under casual driving requires the following

( Click to show/hide )
1st gear accelerate to 4000 RPMs should be about 20 mph and push in the clutch. Shift to 2nd gear and release the clutch pedal as the RPMs drop to ~2800 (release steadily, not necessarily slowly, but not dumping it either).

2nd gear accelerate to 4000 RPMs should be about 35 mph and push in the clutch. Shift to 3rd gear and release the clutch pedal as the RPMs drop to about ~2500.

If you change the 4000 RPM shift to 3000 RPMs then the engine RPMs will drop to ~2400 and ~1900 for 2nd and 3rd gears, respectively. Watch the tach needle when you release the clutch and see if it jerks slightly up or down before settling at the engine's desired RPM - if you see this or you hear the engine rev itself those are indications that you missed the butter zone for the shift (this is easier to see when the RPMs drop below the ideal mark)

Note that all pedals should be operated smoothly without mashing on them or dumping them. My recommendation if you can't get to a track is find a large enough empty parking lot and practice these shifts (include 4th too if you have room)
I did that on the way home and on the way in this morning and noticed the same.

I did notice too that if I waited a little longer to release the clutch pedal it was quite a bit smoother, like Scope said.

speedfreek 01-16-2013 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2113577)
Pfft, the only thing keeping me from playing around like that is tire wear and the price of new tires. :icon17:

Gonna baby it for a while and get as much out of these tires as I can.
:icon18:

I only got 8k out of the stock rear tires :shakes head: :driving:

So far I have resisted the urge to spin my new set.....

Didn't buy it just to commute in it. Gotta have some fun! :stirthepot:

R0bDC 01-16-2013 10:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2113597)
What is your way of taking of fast?
Kinda hard to answer, what do u mean?

R0bDC 01-16-2013 10:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2113659)
my question is... is robdc really ready for the Z?
I have the Z! It shouldn't be a question whether I'm ready or not! Lol

Mt Tam I am 01-16-2013 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2113922)
:icon18:

I only got 8k out of the stock rear tires :shakes head: :driving:

So far I have resisted the urge to spin my new set.....

Didn't buy it just to commute in it. Gotta have some fun! :stirthepot:
I wish I could get 8K miles out of a set, and I do not spin the tires. I am on my third set, original plus two, and I've got 15,500 miles total. It is the fronts that go first.

JARblue 01-16-2013 11:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2113950)
I wish I could get 8K miles out of a set, and I do not spin the tires. I am on my third set, original plus two, and I've got 15,500 miles total. It is the fronts that go first.
On the flip side of that, I wish I could go to tracks and get less than 5K out of my tires :icon17:

scope22 01-16-2013 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2113927)
Kinda hard to answer, what do u mean?
Sorry, retard gene kicked in.....I mean what is your shifting procedure for fast takeoffs, do you rev up and dump the clutch or wait for clutch to hook up and floor it?

R0bDC 01-16-2013 11:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2113975)
Sorry, retard gene kicked in.....I mean what is your shifting procedure for fast take offs, do you rev up and dump the clutch or wait for clutch to hook up and floor it?
This is what I do! I take off on first gear hit like 5k Rpms, press the clutch. Shift to second gear, not so fast but not so slow i take out the clutch, and so on. What do ppl mean by "dump the clutch" "wait for clutch to hook up and floor it?"

Haboob 01-16-2013 11:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2113922)
:icon18:

I only got 8k out of the stock rear tires :shakes head: :driving:

So far I have resisted the urge to spin my new set.....

Didn't buy it just to commute in it. Gotta have some fun! :stirthepot:
Definitely. I have my moments of fun, but I'm such a cheap-*** that the price of the tires sticks in my mind and keeps me from being stupid sometimes (probably saves me a ticket or something too ;))

Especially since it's just a month old. This all may change later on. :driving:

JARblue 01-16-2013 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2114003)
This is what I do! I take off on first gear hit like 5k Rpms, press the clutch. Shift to second gear, not so fast but not so slow i take out the clutch, and so on. What do ppl mean by "dump the clutch" "wait for clutch to hook up and floor it?"
Dump the clutch = rev up in neutral with shift knob in first, then let go of the clutch completely (dumping it) when your RPMs are up high - this creates much more wear on the clutch than the method below

Wait for the clutch = floor the accelerator once the gear is engaged but the RPMs at the shift are reasonable

VDC_OFF 01-16-2013 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2113950)
I wish I could get 8K miles out of a set, and I do not spin the tires. I am on my third set, original plus two, and I've got 15,500 miles total. It is the fronts that go first.
Really? I usually find my rears go like 2-3x as fast. I do spin the tires sometimes when I make uturns for fun but thats maybe like once or twice a month....I think

scope22 01-16-2013 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2114003)
This is what I do! I take off on first gear hit like 5k Rpms, press the clutch. Shift to second gear, not so fast but not so slow i take out the clutch, and so on. What do ppl mean by "dump the clutch" "wait for clutch to hook up and floor it?"
Dump the clutch means you rev up to say 3K RMP with clutch pressed, then you release the clutch very fast by either moving your foot up fast or moving it to the side and clutch will pop back up, i haven't done this because i'm not sure if it will cause more wear, but there are lots of you tube videos...

R0bDC 01-16-2013 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2114019)
Dump the clutch = rev up in neutral with shift knob in first, then let go of the clutch completely (dumping it) when your RPMs are up high - this creates much more wear on the clutch than the method below

Wait for the clutch = floor the accelerator once the gear is engaged but the RPMs at the shift are reasonable
Quote:
Originally Posted by scope22 (Post 2114077)
Dump the clutch means you rev up to say 3K RMP with clutch pressed, then you release the clutch very fast by either moving your foot up fast or moving it to the side and clutch will pop back up, i haven't done this because i'm not sure if it will cause more wear, but there are lots of you tube videos...
So when u are in first gear with the clutch pressed you rev then just let it go. Sounds like a recipe for disaster!

kenchan 01-16-2013 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2113932)
I have the Z! It shouldn't be a question whether I'm ready or not! Lol
this is exactly wat i mean...

be careful out there. more than anything, be responsible.

speedfreek 01-16-2013 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 2113950)
I wish I could get 8K miles out of a set, and I do not spin the tires. I am on my third set, original plus two, and I've got 15,500 miles total. It is the fronts that go first.
Well mine were a combination of spinning them a little too much and hard cornering. I have been taking it easy on my new set....til Spring! I hope to get at least 15k out of them but would like to see closer to 20k. Good rubber doesn't come cheap.

JARblue 01-16-2013 12:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2114086)
So when u are in first gear with the clutch pressed you rev then just let it go. Sounds like a recipe for disaster!
Yup! And it can be... unless you know what you're doing :stirthepot: please don't ever practice this on public roads - it is a maneuver for track or drag strip only

Mt Tam I am 01-16-2013 12:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDC_OFF (Post 2114047)
Really? I usually find my rears go like 2-3x as fast. I do spin the tires sometimes when I make uturns for fun but thats maybe like once or twice a month....I think
Really. My fate for years. Annual fronts semi annual complete. Now it is annual replacement of all four. I do not look at it like a waste; quite the opposite, it means the stays car is on the road during hard cornering, like the tires. Going to the track wears them out 10 - 20% faster I figure.


Quote:
Originally Posted by speedfreek (Post 2114152)
Well mine were a combination of spinning them a little too much and hard cornering. I have been taking it easy on my new set....til Spring! I hope to get at least 15k out of them but would like to see closer to 20k. Good rubber doesn't come cheap.
My very first tires did spin a little as I got used to the cars power. Never black patches laid down over distance except once. A learning experience not to be repeated.

Good luck getting more life from the tires.

JARblue 01-16-2013 12:55 PM
We got <10K mile out of the stock Potenzas with my wife doing daily highway driving. I switched to Nitto Invo rears in Jan 2012 and the car became my DD in July 2012. I just replaced all four wheels with new Nitto Invo tires in Dec after getting 20K on them. And I can guarantee you I was harder on those tires in 6 months than we were on the Potenzas over their entire life. I definitely let the tires loose on corners every so often, but usually I wait for a bit of rain - I can have a lot more fun for the same amount of wear on the tires :tup:

R0bDC 01-22-2013 02:24 PM
Does the Gear lock if you dont shift fast enough?

While I was driving today I was shifting to second, and I swear I felt as if it was locking. Then I started shifting Faster and it felt smoother So back to my question.

If you shift fast, Does that make it smoother? and If you shift slower does that make it seem stiffer?

Now thinking back I never shifted fast, but now Im going to start. It feels a lot better.

Haboob 01-22-2013 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2124917)
Does the Gear lock if you dont shift fast enough?

While I was driving today I was shifting to second, and I swear I felt as if it was locking. Then I started shifting Faster and it felt smoother So back to my question.

If you shift fast, Does that make it smoother? and If you shift slower does that make it seem stiffer?

Now thinking back I never shifted fast, but now Im going to start. It feels a lot better.
Maybe you just let the clutch out before you put it into gear?

I've done that a few times thinking, "Wtf?" then realized what I did. :shakes head:

alcheng 01-22-2013 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2124917)
Does the Gear lock if you dont shift fast enough?

While I was driving today I was shifting to second, and I swear I felt as if it was locking. Then I started shifting Faster and it felt smoother So back to my question.

If you shift fast, Does that make it smoother? and If you shift slower does that make it seem stiffer?

Now thinking back I never shifted fast, but now Im going to start. It feels a lot better.
Shifting from 1st to 2nd is a bit 'rough' than the rest, but you don't need to shift lightning-fast to make it smooth.

Smooth shifting is about the whole action from clutch-in/releasing gas then shift then gas-in/clutch-off.

Also, make sure you press the clutch enough thus the shifter is 'free'

R0bDC 01-22-2013 02:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2124929)
Maybe you just let the clutch out before you put it into gear?

I've done that a few times thinking, "Wtf?" then realized what I did. :shakes head:
Sometimes I do try and shift really fast and I do start letting go of the clutch before I fully shift to a gear.

LOL I dont do that anymore, I fix that issue.

R0bDC 01-22-2013 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alcheng (Post 2124933)
Shifting from 1st to 2nd is a bit 'rough' than the rest, but you don't need to shift lightning-fast to make it smooth.

Smooth shifting is about the whole action from clutch-in/releasing gas then shift then gas-in/clutch-off.

Also, make sure you press the clutch enough thus the shifter is 'free'
Yea, but I feel like when I accelerate on first gear then press the clutch wait for 5 seconds because im going with the momentun and then I tried to shift to second it feel stiff.

But If I shift to second fast it feels a lot smoother.

kenchan 01-22-2013 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2124939)
Yea, but I feel like when I accelerate on first gear then press the clutch wait for 5 seconds because im going with the momentun and then I tried to shift to second it feel stiff.

But If I shift to second fast it feels a lot smoother.
5 sec is much too long. even at wot i only pause for the fly wheel to spin down into 2nd gear range for the smooth wot engagement.

alcheng 01-22-2013 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2124939)
Yea, but I feel like when I accelerate on first gear then press the clutch wait for 5 seconds because im going with the momentun and then I tried to shift to second it feel stiff.

But If I shift to second fast it feels a lot smoother.
5 secs? :eek:

Press the clutch a bit deeper and pull the shifter from 1st to 2nd smoothly. :tup:

You should be able to complete the whole shifting in no rush within 2 secs.

JARblue 01-22-2013 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2124943)
5 sec is much too long. even at wot i only pause for the fly wheel to spin down into 2nd gear range for the smooth wot engagement.
Please don't mention wot in the presence of this guy :icon17:

kenchan 01-22-2013 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2124952)
Please don't mention wot in the presence of this guy :icon17:
:icon18:

R0bDC 01-22-2013 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 2124952)
Please don't mention wot in the presence of this guy :icon17:
Whats Wot? hahahaha

Let me give you a quick Scenario.

Im driving down a 40mph zone straight line. Im on 4th gear. I Press the clutch all the way, Im still going at a decent pace with the momentum........5 seconds later when the car has slowed down to 35MPH I try to shift to keep going

Is that bad for the car? Should I not do that?

alcheng 01-22-2013 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by R0bDC (Post 2124982)
Whats Wot? hahahaha

Let me give you a quick Scenario.

Im driving down a 40mph zone straight line. Im on 4th gear. I Press the clutch all the way, Im still going at a decent pace with the momentum........5 seconds later when the car has slowed down to 35MPH I try to shift to keep going

Is that bad for the car? Should I not do that?

why would you hold the clutch for 5 secs??

Shouldn't you shift the gear right after you clutch-in...


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