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SouthArk370Z 12-06-2012 04:24 PM

Why the occasional pause when starting?
 
Some ppl have been reporting a short delay between pressing the start button and the engine cranking. So far, no one has been able to figure out what triggers the delay. Does anybody know? Do you have a theory? Please post any answers or guesses.

LMBmikeZ posits that it's the car doing an extra self-check. Sounds reasonable to me, but what is it checking and why doesn't it get checked every time?

kenchan 12-06-2012 04:30 PM

does anyone care? :confused:

JARblue 12-06-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2048756)
does anyone care? :confused:

enough to start a thread, apparently :icon17:

I'd just leave it at self-check and be done :ugh2:

RonRizz 12-06-2012 04:34 PM

re-booting the mass transducers, and magnamometers.

kenchan 12-06-2012 04:34 PM

id be more concerned about nails in my tire without me knowing...

now everyone's paranoid and will check their tires tonight.

kenchan 12-06-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RonRizz (Post 2048761)
re-booting the mass transducers, muffler bearings, and magnamometers.

fixed

RonRizz 12-06-2012 04:36 PM

:tup:

LMBmikeZ 12-06-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2048756)
does anyone care? :confused:

:icon18: I know I don't care as long as it starts!

SouthArk370Z 12-06-2012 04:40 PM

ROFLMAO

So I'm a bit obsessive about these things. Yes, it's not like it really matters, but I want to know. Sue me!

This is a general forum, so just imagine an embedded video by Lily Allen or Cee Lo Green here. :P

Mt Tam I am 12-06-2012 04:50 PM

The slow start I once thought was because of short trips and the battery not getting a good charge. After 30 minutes on the track I got gas and it happened in front of a stranger who said " Can't be, it did not get enough of a charge"

He did not even know this had happened before.

Azroadster 12-06-2012 09:34 PM

I have noticed in the last week or so that sometimes I have to press the brake pedal just a little bit harder after I press the start button for the sequence to begin. I don't know if it's a problem with the brake switch or perhaps the brakes themselves? It's not a big deal, but I did start noticing it lately.

OldGuy 12-06-2012 09:45 PM

As someone speculated on another thread, could this have something to do with removal of the Steering Lock Fuse or bypass of the lock?

SouthArk370Z 12-06-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OldGuy (Post 2049112)
As someone speculated on another thread, could this have something to do with removal of the Steering Lock Fuse or bypass of the lock?

That was my first thought, but, according to LMBmikeZ (see link above), the pause is present in cars that still have the fuse.

LakeShow 12-06-2012 11:49 PM

To create a dramatic startup if you have a nice sounding exhaust lol! :tup:

tonythetiger 12-06-2012 11:51 PM

this only happened to me after i removed my fuse, somewhere around 26,000 miles

Face 12-07-2012 02:29 AM

Have you checked the blinker fluid? Could be it.

forza370z 12-07-2012 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2048762)
id be more concerned about nails in my tire without me knowing...

now everyone's paranoid and will check their tires tonight.

Ah... maybe that's what the delay comes from?:confused: The ECU is busy checking if there are nails in the tires before the safe start??? Good point kenchan.:tiphat:

Chan Chee Hoe 12-07-2012 05:31 AM

Maybe temperture too cold.?

cheshirecat 12-07-2012 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonythetiger (Post 2049226)
this only happened to me after i removed my fuse, somewhere around 26,000 miles

Same here.

KERMIT 12-07-2012 10:46 AM

Kalecoauto.com will have your solution

DIGItonium 12-07-2012 01:03 PM

I had the fuse removed as well, and notice it takes awhile for the start button to respond. It doesn't happen all the time, though.

USMCASA 12-07-2012 01:34 PM

don't forget to self check for breast cancer... yes dudes get it too

keioh 12-07-2012 06:07 PM

I've noticed that the only time there is a delay in car starting is when you get inside and wait a while before you push the start button.

SouthArk370Z 12-07-2012 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by keioh (Post 2050640)
I've noticed that the only time there is a delay in car starting is when you get inside and wait a while before you push the start button.

You may be on to something. I was in my car this evening, door open, fiddling with a laptop. Thought about your post and waited several minutes (at least 2, maybe 5) before pushing start btn. Pause before starting.

Jimmyusmc 12-08-2012 12:38 AM

Mine started after I removed the fuse but only sometimes. I noticed it yesterday when it took a good 10-12 seconds to actually turn on.

SouthArk370Z 12-16-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyusmc (Post 2051056)
Mine started after I removed the fuse but only sometimes. I noticed it yesterday when it took a good 10-12 seconds to actually turn on.

hmmmm All the other posts I've noticed have reported 1-3 second delays. You may have something else going on.

CDepp 12-16-2012 07:29 AM

I thought it was just building up suspense before starting.


Like a good movie.

Nailzs 12-16-2012 08:02 AM

It's the accumulation of matter and antimatter for warp speed in forward motion before pressing the accelerator.:eek:

mayday813 12-16-2012 09:57 PM

I too have noticed the occassional delay after the steering lock fuse was removed. Since the delay is inconsistent (most times the car starts just like it did before the fuse was removed) the fact that opening the door and waiting awhile before starting seems to result in a pause when the start button is pushed. I've noticed this once and will attempt to duplicate the conditions. The delay was about a second or two if I recall.

scgolfer7 12-17-2012 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Face (Post 2049266)
Have you checked the blinker fluid? Could be it.

Wait, what color is the Blinker Fluid supposed to be? I think someone put the wrong kind in my car, it is a blueish hue...

But honestly, I wouln't think much of it since it happens on such a random basis..

SouthArk370Z 12-17-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer7 (Post 2063627)
But honestly, I wouln't think much of it since it happens on such a random basis..

Thanks for the reply.

Since it seems to affect all 370Zs, not just those that pulled the SLU fuse, I'm not really worried about it, just a gnawing curiosity. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but would like to know why it happens.

ProfessorDave 12-17-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonythetiger (Post 2049226)
this only happened to me after i removed my fuse, somewhere around 26,000 miles

It is weird to not hear the unlocking of the steering wheel once you press the start button after the fuse pull. Perhaps it creates the illusion of a delay?

SouthArk370Z 12-17-2012 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 2063768)
It is weird to not hear the unlocking of the steering wheel once you press the start button after the fuse pull. Perhaps it creates the illusion of a delay?

Reasonable theory, but there is a definite delay. Most ppl are reporting 1-3 seconds. Last time it happened to me, I was reaching to press the button again (thought I may not have pressed the button properly) when it finally started.

DLSTR 12-17-2012 01:36 PM

I blame ethanol :)

scgolfer7 12-17-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2063723)
Thanks for the reply.

Since it seems to affect all 370Zs, not just those that pulled the SLU fuse, I'm not really worried about it, just a gnawing curiosity. I'm not losing any sleep over it, but would like to know why it happens.

In all honesty, I think it is something to do with some kind of software reset, maybe the ECU purges some cache or something; that seems like the most logical thing I can think of.

SouthArk370Z 12-17-2012 02:40 PM

Sounds like one of the better theories to me. My personal favorite is that the system is doing an extra self-test (but that doesn't explain why it only happens some of the time).

A few ppl have reported that the driver door being open for a long time may trip the delay, but I haven't been able to reproduce it.

Maybe someone will come up with the answer, but I'm not holding my breath.

mayday813 12-17-2012 10:27 PM

I experienced the approx. 3 second delay today again. Just got in the vehicle and pressed the start button and the delay occurred. Didn't leave the door open for an inordinate amount of time. I tend to think that SCGOLFER7 may be on to something since the BCM appears to send signals to the ECU to verify some of the system checks. This would explain the diagnostic procedure noted in NTB12-041.
Has anyone had a dealer perform the procedure describe in NTB12-041?

SouthArk370Z 12-17-2012 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayday813 (Post 2064743)
... I tend to think that SCGOLFER7 may be on to something since the BCM appears to send signals to the ECU to verify some of the system checks. This would explain the diagnostic procedure noted in NTB12-041.
Has anyone had a dealer perform the procedure describe in NTB12-041?

I think what you, I, and golfer are talking about is pretty much the same thing - an extra system startup routine that gets executed for some reason. Whether that is a memory purge or a self-check or something else remains to be seen.

I haven't noticed anyone posting about doing a BCM reflash, but I can't read all the posts.

I just read over NTB12-041 again and I can't tell for sure if the two are related or not. The startup symptoms are the same, but I don't remember anyone reporting that they couldn't shut the engine off with an SLU failure. But I've read a lot of SLU posts and may have flushed that particular piece of info.
It would be interesting to find out if they are related or not. If someone has been unable to shutdown because of SLU failure, I would consider that to be strong evidence for.

luigi90210 12-18-2012 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthArk370Z (Post 2048744)
Some ppl have been reporting a short delay between pressing the start button and the engine cranking. So far, no one has been able to figure out what triggers the delay. Does anybody know? Do you have a theory? Please post any answers or guesses.

LMBmikeZ posits that it's the car doing an extra self-check. Sounds reasonable to me, but what is it checking and why doesn't it get checked every time?

probably just going through the usual system checks, checking steering wheel lock and unlocking it, making sure there is fuel in the tank, making sure everything is all good to start without damaging the motor, or ecu delay

its all drive by wire tbh and as much as i like my start button, it just doesnt replace the key-barrel

IDZRVIT 12-18-2012 11:17 AM

If you've pulled the SLU fuse your car won't start after 21 Dec 2012.


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