Yes it does. Ask any body shop or insurance company. I have personally had a accident that wasn't dead center and the airbags didnt' go off. The sensor is in the center of bumper area of the car, and if it doesn't get impacted, it won't go off.

Yes I did. But my point is that the impact was not "head on center with the bumper." I think there may be some confusion over semantics going on here. If you're saying that the sensor in the front bumper must be impacted for the airbags to go off, then I would agree with you absolutely. But if you're saying that the collision itself must be head-on, then I disagree. To put it another way, a collision doesn't have to be head-on in order for the sensor in the front bumper to be impacted. The impact to my 350 was not head on -- I was turning left when a minivan hit my front passenger side just ahead of the front wheel. Obviously it was enough of an impact to trigger the airbag sensor. But it wasn't a head-on collision is all I'm saying.

True, it doesn't have to be directly head on, but the sensor either way has to be impacted, if it isn't which is less likely from a offset collision it will go off.

With an impact that rips the front end off the car the airbags should have gone off for sure. :tiphat:

Man you are being a little harsh. Don't get me wrong, I love the 370Z, but please give credit where it is due. Hyundai has really made some major strides towards a bright future in the sports car department. Is it as "prestigious" as Nissan's sports car heritage? Not yet. But they are certainly making their way up the chain.

And what about overall quality? I don't see Nissan (#14) up where Hyundai (#8) is. What's up with that? Heritage? Prestige? I thought companies are supposed to build better products over time?

Now about the accident photos... Sure, the airbags did not deploy in the wreck that you posted, but there are lemons in virtually every brand. As unfortunate as it is, sometimes stuff doesn't work. Anyway, I understand that you're loyal to Nissan and that you're merely defending the company that makes money off of you. But like I said #14 is not any better than #8 and the "other" supposed inferior company is still increasing the gap.

In the end, it's all about what you can afford and what you personally like. I am not a Hyundai fanboy, but I am smart enough to point out that it's a great company.

Not if the sensor isn't crushed in the accident. The Sensor is mounted usually on the radiator support behind the bumper itself in the middle of the car.

But on this car it should have went off because the front of the car where the sensor usually is was pushed far enough back that there was no reason for it not to go off unless it's because of the seat belts then that might be why.

This is informative:

What You Need to Know About Air Bags, DOT HS 809 575

There is no doubt that Hyundai has made vast improvements over the years. But my opinion is based on experience. I travel often for work and have rented and driven several Hyundai products. And even though the quality has improved it still feels like a cheap product. Overall quality? Go check that list again and you will find that Infiniti ranks above Hyaundai. Yes, a Nissan product. ;)
Harsh? No not really. :hello:

Now you are an airbag specialist? I bet you took one of those blind Nissan surveys.... :rofl2:

Yeah you're right about Infinity, but the Nissan labeled products are not as superior. Why is that anyway? Oh, and we all know that rentals are bottom of the barrel vehicles! :bowrofl: I understand where you're coming from though.

Now if you would do me a favor, go take the time to test drive a Genesis coupe when they hit the dealerships. It may help you better appreciate their efforts.

By the way, the flyers have been passed out. :tup:

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The airbag covers are intact, which means no airbag deployment. The airbag covers split in the midde (into top and bottom halves) when the airbag deploys, so it's not possible to "push" the airbag back into the steering wheel. Besides, unless it was refolded correctly, there's no way you could get it to fit back in there anyway. It's kind of like packing a parachute.

I saw this when it first hit the net, and read every article I could find on it, most of them bashing Hyundai for the airbags not deploying because they have no idea whatsoever about how the SRS system works. The airbag control module is the "brain" of the airbag system. It uses input from the various impact sensors (angle of impact, velocity), as well as occupant information (weight, seating position, seatbelt use, etc) to determine whether or not to fire the airbags in a collision, which ones to fire, etc. The airbag system is a SUPPLEMENTAL restraint system, meant to work as a means of restraint secondary to seat belt usage. The seatbelt holds you in the proper position for airbag deployment. I know from reading the articles on this accident that neither occupant was wearing a seatbelt at the time of the accident, and that both were severely injured. You can see the force with which the driver hit the steering wheel, as evidenced by the bend at the top. The driver likely suffered severe chest/abdomen/head injuries. As bad as that is, however, the SRS control module took all of these factors into consideration and determined that it was safest NOT to deploy the airbags in this particular accident. Had the airbags deployed, the unrestrained forward momentum of the driver and passenger colliding with the force of the deploying airbags certainly would have killed them both. It is sad that they were injured, but this is why there are warnings in the owner's manual and in the car stating that you can be killed or injured if the airbags deploy and you aren't wearing your seatbelt.
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If the passenger wasn't wearing the seatbelt. Then why isn't the windshield damaged, from his head/body impact? There is no way he could remain in the seat "unrestrained", and not kiss the windshield!

Hyundai still isn't a premium brand, but they still are higher than Nissan. Most of their cars haven't been that good, but as of the past 2 years, they have dramatically changed. The Genesis is one of the best cars I have seen and been in for quality. It is just as good as a Lexus.

http://chryslerweblog.com/images/upl...jdpoweriqs.jpg

Look at the steering wheel. It looks like he came up and smashed it. Pretty obvious.

Steering wheel damage is from the driver.I'm referring to the passenger.

Ahhh gotcha.... No idea on that one.

So the bags didn't deploy because it would've done more harm since the driver wasn't wearing his seat belt?

Could be. Positive seat belt signal means the driver and passenger are oriented in the correct direction to go face first into the airbag. If you are not wearing a setbelt you could be reaching over the back seat, turned around, etc. I have no idea if that is the actual reason, just thinking out loud. Seems more like lawsuit concerns than safety at that point, though.

I am just showing your table. SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THAT ACTUALLY HYUNDAI RANKS BETTER THEN NISSAN.

For the ones that believe that infinity is equal to nissan. Lets me put it this way. All the good reliable parts go primary to infinity, whats left goes to their cheaper brand.

Thats why a simple way to look for a true luxury brand is to look if they have a cheaper RE-brand or not. This goes for brands like toyota and honda. Actually hyundai doesn't, so they just use quality parts on their products period.

And i thought PORSCHE was a true sports car.

alefcole, I think you're misunderstanding nismoz's statement. He is simply saying that Z is 2 seater so it should be compared to cars like S2000, Z4, Sky redline, crossfire etc. On the other hand, Genesis should be compared to G37, eclipse, cobalt ss or other 2 doors 4 seaters.

I heard it referred to as a GT Sports Car (as in classification, not the GT Nissan model).

Yep! Exactly.

Sorry man but I have had a Genesis sedan as a rental. 300 mile road trip. Not as nice as a Lexus. IMO. And I still don't think Hundyai is as good as Nissan. That is based on experience. Not a chart or a survey.:tiphat:

It's spelled Infiniti. ;)

oh I see where all the heat has been coming out of in the forums.

Umm, I saw this car at the last Miami show, looked OK. The fact of the matter is that Hyundai has been improved a lot in the past couple of years, however it is no 370z. Nor is it a G37 by a long shot. Its as if you took an accord made it RWD, added a little power and slapped brakes on it and all of the sudden it's competing with the 370Z and G37?

Sorry man, I usually like to find arguments for both sides, but the Genesis is not in the same category. I would group it with SRT-4's, Civic Si's and perhaps up in the Mustang and Altima category. It wants to be high performance, but it isn't. It wants to be high luxury, but it isn't. You could say that makes it well balanced, I'd say it just wants to be a lot of things. Once you test drive both cars, you come back here and tell us what you think. If you think they are still in the same class, then please buy the Genesis.

That's funny, because you have told me what cars you have had on your trips and you never mentioned that one.

United States M.S.R.P. prices are based on the six different trim levels:

- 2.0T Base $22,000 - 2.0T Premium $24,250 - 2.0T Track $26,750 - 3.8 Base $25,000 - 3.8 Grand Touring $27,500 - 3.8 Track $29,500

I have been reading through this thread and have kept an eye on the Genesis. Personally I prefer the Z over the Genesis by a long shot (my opinion), but have been intrigued that Hyundai has jump so high and taken some long shots at the higher players. Looking through many pictures and seeing the inside though, I must say the Z has the step up here. Genesis has a chance to take the sub 30k crowd, but I think people are going to keep the Z in a different class. I am sure they will be compared till the end, but perspective is a major seller. The Z made a wise choice by going with the 30-40k crowd, and the Genesis will take the 20-30k crowd.

This is in the current issue of AutoWeek.


Rear drive, sporty attitude adds up to big fun in Hyundai Genesis Coupe: AutoWeek Magazine

In a world where gaps in product lines are filled as quickly as they open, Hyundai--yes, Hyundai--has found a new one. Let's call it the semi-affordable, pretty-good-looking, rear-wheel-drive performance-coupe segment. Hyundai has identified and filled that gap with the surprisingly sporty Genesis Coupe.

It is not simply a two-door version of the Genesis sedan. Hyundai says the Coupe shares only the rear subframe, rear suspension and a ZF six-speed automatic transmission with the sedan.

The entry-level coupe, starting at about $23,000, is powered by a 210-hp, 2.0-liter turbo four. Above that is a $26,000-to-$30,000 306-hp, 3.8-liter V6. There's not much in the way of competition offering that particular combination.

So, what's it like to drive?

First, a caveat: Disregard those Web sites that have "first drives" of the Genesis Coupe. Those guys drove Korean-spec cars, tuned for luxury. We will get a much more performance-oriented car than that.

After a day spent lapping the Streets of Willow racetrack in Southern California, along with a short drive over two-lane highways, we can say that the new Coupe felt surprisingly taut, responsive and downright fun to drive--more than we expected, frankly.

Our first drive was in a 2.0-liter turbo four with the Track package and the traction and stability control turned off. We were all ready to experience a shorter version of the luxurious and somewhat soft Genesis Sedan, like a Korean SC400. So when we launched onto the Streets' uphill front straight with a chirp from the rear tires and steering that actually communicated, we were startled. This car was downright sprightly, fairly leaping out of the blocks.

The MacPherson strut front and five-link rear kept the tires on the ground and pointed in the right direction all the way. Laps in the V6 variant were similar in terms of handling, only quicker. You pay only a 95-pound weight penalty for the extra 96 hp. Curb weight of the base four-cylinder model is 3,294 pounds versus 3,389 for the V6. About 54 percent of that weight is on the front axle.

There was way more power available in the V6 than we could wrangle out on the short connecting links between the Streets' tight turns (Hyundai lists 0 to 60 mph for the V6 at less than 6 seconds). As we said, we did all of our laps with traction and stability control off yet rarely felt the rear end get squirrelly.

It's a well-balanced car. All our drives also were in cars with the Track package and its 19-inch wheels with summer Bridgestones--225/40 fronts and 245/40 rears, upgraded Brembo brakes, a limited-slip differential and a "track-tuned" suspension with stiffer springs and shocks.

Both four- and six-cylinder models come standard with a six-speed manual transmission. The four-cylinder has an optional five-speed auto while the V6 model lists a ZF six-speed automatic.

So Hyundai's march to world domination continues unabated, even going so far as to conquer segments without anything yet in them. Hyundai hopes there are enough enthusiast buyers out there to support the presence of fun cars such as this one.

SPECS
2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe

On sale: February/March

Base price: $23,000 (est--prices announced at Chicago auto show)

Drivetrain: 2.0-liter, 210-hp, 223-lb-ft, turbocharged I4; RWD, six-speed manual

Curb weight: 3,294 lb

0-60 mph: Less than 6 seconds for V6 (mfr)

Fuel economy: 25 mpg combined city/hwy (mfr est)

I don't know how Autoweek can say this is a brand-new, wholly-unique segment. Hyundai is making a 2+2... just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's in a class by itself.

NOOOO!!!! Semtex awoke the beast! I thought this thread had died off.

Mods move this sucker to OT "other vehicles" please.

I think I officially despise the Genesis now. It has been discussed and pictures have been posted so much that when ever I see the Genesis now I just see the same kids that drive Neons around here and 93' Civic sedans with bench wing spoilers, blitz kits, and neon blinking windshield sprayers.

Just another car ready to accept all that the Autozone and Pepboys accessories aisle has to offer. :shakes head:

Frankly..... Any auto group has those "autozone, pepboy junkies"

AMS here in Chicago, And Buschar Racing both picked up 2.0T Gen coupes and AMS is already picking it apart to start making parts for it.... IF you know anything about either of those company's expect them to turn them into 9 second dragsters sometime next year, if not sooner..This car will be the new "fox body of the import world"...and by that I mean it won't take much to get it into the 300-400hp range for cheap... Full Exhaust, up the boost,add some fuel, and maybe a clutch/intercooler and this will probably surpass the Z in a straight line..I speak only for the 2.0T..not the V6

If you feel like comparing the Z to the Coupe, which I wouldn't they are 2 different cars, Keep it to the V6....Those 2.0T's will probably become drag queens...Heck thats the only reason I'd get a Gencoupe anyhow.. 400whp+ DD....I highly doubt the chassis is as tuned as the Z's and car for car, corner for corner, stock or modified suspension...I would think the Z would be better in the curves... Being that the Z is a 2 seater it puts it with the Porsche Boxster/Cayman category, maybe even base model vette's?? I love the Z but its unrealistic to have 2 seater with no back up vehicle... Leaving a 2+2 a better option for a consumer in my position Rx8/Gencoupe/Ford Crapstain...For the price of a Civic Si, or Gti, why not look at the gen 2.0T..? ....and let me add the 370 shouldn't have back seats.. it would take away from what they redesigned the car to be...

Well thats true to some degree.. But statistically... You do see more civic's, neon's, Tibby's and focus's etc at those places than most other sporty type cars like GTI's, S2k's, Rx7's or 8's and most Z's (tho the 350z looks to be the next in line for AutoPepMart enrollment:().

But hey enough of the sugar coating.. Consumables,cleaners and wax etc.. fine. I stop by myself for filters and wax.

But if you buy mods, performance parts or service your car there? Your either broke or a cheapskate with no taste. :icon17:

GO HYUNDAI Genesis!!!! :rock:

^Are you Kaiser? I think you are. :stirthepot:

This is too hilarious for today:bowrofl:

WTF HAPPEND TO THE FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. make it stop...or im buying a Hyundai!

burning my eyes...lol.....

i thought i was on the wrong forum..im like WTF!

thats messed up.

I've been wondering which of these two cars to buy. Ultimately, it came down to the blinding speed and razor sharp handling of the Genesis over the Z.

I believe these colors are the new Genesis interior color scheme. :D