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tvfreakazoid 02-04-2009 04:12 AM

IT seems you just got the bad apple. It goes for everything you buy. Especially anything that is electronic. It just happens and of course it sucks. They make so many of them and sooner or later a bad one will com out. That's what i'm afraid of. I hope the same thing doesn't happen to me when I get my new car (possibly 370Z).
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Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 26821)
04 tiburon, 06 santa fe.

santa fe, interior fell apart literally, had to replace the rear axles, for no apparent reason, within 6 months, doors began to sag, and never really closed.

the tiburon, seized box at 5,100 miles. according to the dealer, yeah there was enough oil, and it was not your driving habit, it just happened. "can this happen again" could be. the thing seized in 5th gear, while i was i driving in 3rd. same complaint about the interior. after 2 years, the thing had 75% the power it has when new.


no no no, i am done with hyundai's for life. if you have had good things with them good for you and hopefully you keep having good ones, as for me no more class "c" brand cars.


TerribleONE 02-04-2009 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by frost (Post 27278)
I don't want to call shenanigans on that, but it's a little hard to believe.

evill shenanigans

G&M Performance 02-04-2009 10:32 AM

Sorry to see that. Looks like you have bad luck or Hyundai really dropped the ball on a line or two...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chupacabra (Post 26821)
04 tiburon, 06 santa fe.

santa fe, interior fell apart literally, had to replace the rear axles, for no apparent reason, within 6 months, doors began to sag, and never really closed.

the tiburon, seized box at 5,100 miles. according to the dealer, yeah there was enough oil, and it was not your driving habit, it just happened. "can this happen again" could be. the thing seized in 5th gear, while i was i driving in 3rd. same complaint about the interior. after 2 years, the thing had 75% the power it has when new.


no no no, i am done with hyundai's for life. if you have had good things with them good for you and hopefully you keep having good ones, as for me no more class "c" brand cars.


jacobwf 02-04-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE (Post 27474)
evill shenanigans

i swear ill pistol whip the next one of you who says shenanigans

frost 02-04-2009 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobwf (Post 27692)
i swear ill pistol whip the next one of you who says shenanigans

Two people is more than you can handle?

Ieatrocks 02-04-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobwf (Post 27692)
i swear ill pistol whip the next one of you who says shenanigans

shenanigans.

frost 02-04-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ieatrocks (Post 27729)
shenanigans.

:eek:

nogoodname 02-04-2009 09:24 PM

shenanigans.






wow, so you bought a lemon santa fe

and then got another Hyundai after............. maybe 3rd time is a charm

Mental Block 02-05-2009 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jacobwf (Post 27692)
i swear ill pistol whip the next one of you who says shenanigans

Hey, Farva! What's that restaurant you like to eat at?

You mean Shenanigans?

Crash 02-05-2009 05:30 AM

OMG... You people and your shenanigans.



LOL

Slidefox 02-05-2009 08:27 AM

:shakes head:....





shenanigans :p

Epik 02-15-2009 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexus (Post 15954)
The company has come a long way and is making more and more reliable cars. I would definitely buy the Genesis coupe if I wasn't in the market for higher-end sports cars such as the Z or G37. The Genesis coupe will definitely be a lot of bang for the buck if you can get over the Hyundai tag. Any company that can get Brembo and ZF to specially design parts for their cars is definitely up-and-coming. The Genesis coupe is an impressive car and those that fail to accept this don't know their ****. There was a time where I would say I would never drive a Nissan (because of Datsun) and now, I'm in the market for one.

There are rumors of Hyundai preparing to release a luxury brand some time in the next couple of years. I will definitely be looking into it when and if that brand comes out though I think the timing couldn't be any more awful.

Hyundai's reliability is way better than some think. Especially the newer years.

Hyundai ranked at 8th in the most recent (Dec 08) Consumer Report reliability survey. That's up 7 steps from last year. The only non-premium brands that did better than Hyundai are...

Scion: 1st
Honda: 3rd
Toyota: 4th
Subaru: 7th

Kia is the real big winner though, as it's ranked at 10th, up whopping 12 steps from last year.

Nissan was ranked at 14th and Nissan's reliability isn't bad at all This is at least the second year that Hyundai did better than Nissan, and this year it's not even close.

"The two closely related South Korean nameplates, Hyundai and Kia, rank right up there with the better Japanese makers. Most of their models scored average or better, with only the Hyundai Entourage and Kia Sedona minivans receiving below-average scores."

Here's some info on the R-Spec version

Hyundai Debuts a High-Performance Blank Canvas for Tuners: Genesis Coupe R-Spec


CHICAGO, Feb. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- When the colors of your new turbocharged rear-wheel-drive sport coupe are named after international racing circuits, you'd better have the performance and confidence to back it up. Now, Hyundai is upping the ante by announcing an R-Spec version of the all-new 2010 Genesis Coupe, designed to appeal to true enthusiasts who want a low starting price and the ability to tune their car to their own specifications. R-Spec will be available as a mid-2010 model year introduction.

R-Spec provides genuine track-readiness in an affordable model. The R-Spec adds core performance equipment to the most affordable 2.0T model, such as: Track-tuned suspension, 19-inch gunmetal-finish alloy wheels with performance summer tires, Brembo(R) braking system, Torsen limited-slip differential, and R-Spec badging. To further reduce cost and weight, it also eliminates some non-essential convenience equipment such as: Bluetooth(R), automatic headlights, cruise control, trip computer, chrome interior accents and steering wheel audio controls. The Genesis Coupe R-Spec will be priced at $23,750 and $3,000 less than the 2.0T Track model, leaving tuners with extra cash for their own choice of aftermarket performance upgrades. Appropriately, the R-Spec will be available in three performance oriented exteriors colors: Karussell White, Bathurst Black and Tsukuba Red.

R-Spec equipment includes:

2.0-liter low-pressure turbocharged intercooled four-cylinder engine with dual continuously variable valve timing delivering 210-hp, an estimated 30 mpg EPA highway rating and a top speed of 137 mph
6-speed close-ratio manual transmission
Electronic Stability Control with Traction control, ABS, Electronic Brake-Force Distribution and Brake Assist
19-inch gunmetal-finish alloy wheels with staggered-width high-performance summer-compound Bridgestone Potenza RE050A tires (225/40YR19 front, 245/40YR19 rear)
Brembo(R) braking system with 13.4-inch ventilated front rotors, 42mm four-piston fixed front calipers (red), 13.0-inch ventilated rear rotors, 32mm+28mm four-piston fixed rear calipers (red)
Track-tuned suspension (higher-rate coil springs, higher-control shock absorbers, 25mm front stabilizer bar, 22mm rear stabilizer bar, front strut brace)
Torsen-type limited-slip differential
R-Spec badging
Quick-ratio hydraulic steering (2.7 turns lock-to-lock)
Tire Pressure Monitoring System
Front, side, side air curtain air bags
Active front head restraints
Driver's lumbar support
Air conditioning
Remote keyless entry system
Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob
Power windows (one-touch up and down), door locks and mirrors
AM/FM/XM/MP3/CD audio system with six speakers
iPod/USB/Aux jack connectivity
Projector beam headlamps
Lightweight temporary spare with aluminum wheel (T135/80D18)
Note: Automatic transmission not available with R-Spec

http://www.gcoupeclub.net/com/data/f...94178849_1.jpg

Rhys Millen will be participating in the 09 Formula Drift season, Pikes Peak, and Redline Time Attack with the 550hp Genesis Coupe.

"According to Hyundai, the goal is a 2,400-pound curb weight for Millen's drifter. That's down almost 1,000 pounds from the stock 3,397-pound Genesis coupe.

The Red Bull Hyundai Genesis coupe drift car should debut during the first Formula D event at the Long Beach Grand Prix, April 16-19, 2009.

Inside Line says: If successful, Millen's motorsports campaign could be a catalyst for the new Genesis coupe's popularity with young American car enthusiasts. It has the potential to be the new car of choice for the tuner set, taking its place alongside the Mitsubishi Evo and Subaru Impreza WRX. — John Pearley Huffman"

http://formulad.com/IMAGES/PAGES/Hyu...Millen-Car.jpg

It'll be interesting to see how it does in April.

zsport1 02-15-2009 07:38 PM

Who cares.:worship:

bossman 02-15-2009 08:30 PM

i dont get why ppl even compare these 2.. like i get that the genesis is gonna be a remarkable car and a breakthrough for hyundai but i'd be surprised if it kept up with the new mustang let alone the new z. i personally doubt it's any better than the 350.. just look at the numbers.. plus hyundai hasn't been known to build great engines like the vq or bmw inline 6.

also, the z is in porsche cayman s territory.. you think the gen can come even close to that? i don't think so

Namir 02-15-2009 09:01 PM

But our shenanigans are cheeky and fun!


The Genesis coupe has the right formula and I'm glad they made it, but I most likely won't consider one. I'll try to test drive it though, maybe it will change my mind.

370sed 02-15-2009 09:29 PM

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/spin9k/T1.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/spin9k/T2.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/spin9k/T3.jpg

Anyone who makes a creditable entry into the RWD 300+HP coupe market deserves a fair chance and everyone's good wishes to compete with the rest. Looks and badging are one thing, rubber to the pavement performance is another.

Doesn't mean you have to buy it, but it deserves credit where credit is due. Everyone starts somewhere with a dream for where they want to get to. Some make it, some don't, let the games begin :stirthepot:

par4bmw 02-15-2009 10:27 PM

^^^ +1. Competition and innovation are always healthy. I like heritage though as well so not interested.

Asheth 02-15-2009 10:59 PM

Well from that ad right there even if we don't see the Genesis as competition it is clear that Hyundai see's the Z as competition aswell as the BMW 335i

zsport1 02-16-2009 09:49 AM

Looks pretty good from this angle. You can still see the head of the penis car.
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content...1-accident.jpg

nogoodname 02-16-2009 09:52 AM

^^ what???.............................

Epik 02-16-2009 06:41 PM

Those bastards stole our Nismos :D

http://bkmania.com/bbs/data/bk_gallery/IMG_7236.JPG

zsport1 02-16-2009 06:51 PM

Better shot of the front.
http://image.internetautoguide.com/f...esis-crash.jpg

Namir 02-16-2009 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epik (Post 31582)
Those bastards stole our Nismos :D

They look good on the car, especially with that drop.

tvfreakazoid 02-17-2009 04:14 AM

I have to admit they it does look pretty good.

NIZMOZ 02-17-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by zsport1 (Post 31429)
Looks pretty good from this angle. You can still see the head of the penis car.
http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content...1-accident.jpg

At least you know one thing. It's a damn safe car. The passenger compartment didn't collapse.

zsport1 02-17-2009 12:23 PM

The Z is a far better looking car than the Genesis. Sorry.
http://www.motorauthority.com/conten...21-636x360.jpg

AK370Z 02-17-2009 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 31790)
At least you know one thing. It's a damn safe car. The passenger compartment didn't collapse.


First Hyundai Genesis Coupe Crash - Looks Like the Airbags Failed to Deploy - Carscoop

Quote:

Hyundai had the unfortunate chance to see how its brand new rear-wheel-drive Genesis Coupe performs in a real-world crash when a 2.0 Turbo slammed into the concrete surrounding of a metal pole somewhere in Korea. Despite the severity of the crash and as you can see in the photos that have been circulating around the Korean blogosphere the past few days, it appears that in this particular car, both the driver and front passenger airbags failed to deploy.
I think this would've been a good time for airbags to deploy.... what you guys think? ;)

semtex 02-17-2009 01:12 PM

Good point!

dad 02-17-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 31839)

Brake pedal is not bent or distorted. Right wrist and forearm, probably( I hope so)broke. Wouldn't own one if you gave it too me!

zsport1 02-17-2009 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 31839)

I bet the top half of that steering wheel left a mark...:icon14:

zsport1 02-17-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 31847)
Brake pedal is not bent or distorted. Right wrist and forearm, probably( I hope so)broke. Wouldn't own one if you gave it too me!

I couldn't agree more! :tup:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnV...-Accident-.jpg

370sed 02-17-2009 02:59 PM

comment from another site

Quote:

The airbag covers are intact, which means no airbag deployment. The airbag covers split in the midde (into top and bottom halves) when the airbag deploys, so it's not possible to "push" the airbag back into the steering wheel. Besides, unless it was refolded correctly, there's no way you could get it to fit back in there anyway. It's kind of like packing a parachute.

I saw this when it first hit the net, and read every article I could find on it, most of them bashing Hyundai for the airbags not deploying because they have no idea whatsoever about how the SRS system works. The airbag control module is the "brain" of the airbag system. It uses input from the various impact sensors (angle of impact, velocity), as well as occupant information (weight, seating position, seatbelt use, etc) to determine whether or not to fire the airbags in a collision, which ones to fire, etc. The airbag system is a SUPPLEMENTAL restraint system, meant to work as a means of restraint secondary to seat belt usage. The seatbelt holds you in the proper position for airbag deployment. I know from reading the articles on this accident that neither occupant was wearing a seatbelt at the time of the accident, and that both were severely injured. You can see the force with which the driver hit the steering wheel, as evidenced by the bend at the top. The driver likely suffered severe chest/abdomen/head injuries. As bad as that is, however, the SRS control module took all of these factors into consideration and determined that it was safest NOT to deploy the airbags in this particular accident. Had the airbags deployed, the unrestrained forward momentum of the driver and passenger colliding with the force of the deploying airbags certainly would have killed them both. It is sad that they were injured, but this is why there are warnings in the owner's manual and in the car stating that you can be killed or injured if the airbags deploy and you aren't wearing your seatbelt.

NIZMOZ 02-18-2009 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 31839)

Didn't even noticed that. But it is a offset crash and needs to be head on center with the bumper to have the airbags off. This was a head on on the driver side portion of the car (which I still think they should have went off), but I have seen many cars not go off due to this type of accident.

I am still impressed with the compartment though didn't collapse hardly at all due to the force of the impact that happened.

NIZMOZ 02-18-2009 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370sed (Post 31858)
comment from another site

That is most likely what happened after reading it. No seat belts probably told the system no airbags. Makes sense.

semtex 02-18-2009 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 32199)
Didn't even noticed that. But it is a offset crash and needs to be head on center with the bumper to have the airbags off. This was a head on on the driver side portion of the car (which I still think they should have went off), but I have seen many cars not go off due to this type of accident.

I am still impressed with the compartment though didn't collapse hardly at all due to the force of the impact that happened.

I had an offset crash in my 350 and both airbags deployed.

http://www.the370z.com/members/semte...ection-j-k.jpg

BanningZ 02-18-2009 08:43 AM

^^^Ouch!

Ouch for you and the car.

CrownR426 02-18-2009 10:24 AM

Damn...
So looks like motherland country is steppin up their game!
But failed...

dad 02-18-2009 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NIZMOZ (Post 32199)
Didn't even noticed that. But it is a offset crash and needs to be head on center with the bumper to have the airbags off. This was a head on on the driver side portion of the car (which I still think they should have went off), but I have seen many cars not go off due to this type of accident.

I am still impressed with the compartment though didn't collapse hardly at all due to the force of the impact that happened.

It does not need to be a "head on center with the bumper" to activate the air bag(s).

SMJane_Again 02-18-2009 09:03 PM

Wow, this thread has become a monster! Just got caught up and I have to say that if the topic has been debated this much on an enthusiast forum, then it stands to reason that your average consumer will in fact cross shop these two cars. The inevitable questions we have to ask ourselves is: 1. Will the fact the Genesis is a Hyundai (the heretofore well documented stigma that goes along with the marque) be overcome by the price disparity that a similarily specced Z has? 2. Does the average consumer even care the Genesis is a Hyundai?

Someone earlier quoted the article published in CAR about the Genesis being driven in South Korea. They failed to quote the portion of the article deriding the Genesis' horrible ride quality "...Yet the amble does highlight a flaw: the Genesis rides badly, its damping lacking the supple polish of the best sporting all-rounders. Perhaps a trip to Lotus would be in order. While they're at it, a proper limited-slip diff would be good too. Our car's locking diff is too lazy and imprecise to get power down cleanly when you're really pushing." Interestingly enough though, they end with a positive outlook saying "Today, with the Genesis Coupe, the company has built a truly world-class product. Let's just hope they have the sense to bring it to Britain." (p.86 Jan '09)

This seemingly at-odds conclusion is why I subscribe to EVO.

S.

NIZMOZ 02-19-2009 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 32204)
I had an offset crash in my 350 and both airbags deployed.

http://www.the370z.com/members/semte...ection-j-k.jpg


Right but you had your seatbelt on right?


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