$5k on a lease??? lol. Maybe on a 335i, but on a base Z? lol. :inoutroflpuke:

lol.. thats funny cause my friend did just drop 5k exactly for his 335i lease

Yeah, i guess i would be mad at the world if i would be giving 50k grade lease downs on a 30k car. lol:ughdance:

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I didnt read the whole thing, but it was something along the lines of $5K down and $299 a month, which is like $15K for 3 years on a base model. I guess I would be mad too if I got shafted like that.

He went over a hill and the rear end got loose - this isnt an uncommon thing. Furthermore, he's on base wheels/tires which arent TOO particularly sticky.

The only thing he's trying to show off is that the Boxster and BRZ's driving dynamics are exceptional compared to the 370's which is still relatively good.

Who's stupid enough to do that kind of deal?

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if it totals out to $15-16k. I guess he didnt get all that ripped. Its 50% of the purchase price which should keep him10% over depreciation, and they tax the 10% in wear and tear... as long as he is straight with mileage and NEVER HAS an accident? it should work out.
What sux though is the down. he could have owned a gen mustang, camaro, or something in the same amount of time with $100 extra bucks... Or even owned a used Z instead of lease

What I take away from this thread (so far) is that there are people out there that cannot appreciate a piece of art like the 370Z. There's gobs of diff cars out there, but the Z stands out and is an awesome machine. To 'hate' it or 'dislike' it, in my opinion is really hard, unless the are forced to drive the Z against their will and have come accustomed to driving in something 'way' better. People who do not appreciate a machine like the Z are lost/spoiled/crazy/whatever individuals who probably don't appreciate many other things.

I personally want to keep my Z and turn it into a beast, get a second car to drive around once I settle down. The Z may not have F.I. base headroom to play with, but it looks awesome, handles great (with a few mods) and is a blast to drive and basically has a lot of attributes that come for a lot more money on other cars. I think the value of the Z can only be appreciated if one understands what they've got, I don't want to be in any other car (meby a 911 GT3 RS 4 or a TVR T350C not sold in the USA) none of which I can afford, and I don't want anything other than those 2, so the Z is the best car for me as of right now :)

I agree with most of what you said Binary. I find it sad that a lot of so called car guys are really badge chasers, then cry when the badges they chase stay in the service department ( I still have love for Lamborghini and Porsche) . I love Nissan and loved Z's since i was a kid, the 370Z is more than i dreamed of. What a lot of people don't realize is that Nissan was focusing on cars much higher when they created the Z. The same can be said for the GT-R too.

so,,,what I've learned after watching the video is "370z= big old plate of not very good food" .:shakes head::shakes head:

On the video at 4:31 the FRS takes a turn. Is it slow motion? The grass moves around as he passes by.

At 7:11 the 370 takes the same turn. Certainly not slow motion. Clearly not savoring the moment. :icon17:

Sitting in a Toyota 86 at the Bangkok motor show, I knew/could feel it was something special. That seems to come out when it's really being driven.

Saw a red one, black one, then a white one yesterday. All within the same couple of hours. I was just running errands around town.

All were frs. I always think, yep that body looks good.

Eventually we'll see them all the time, like 5.0's, and the charm will wear.

I do like the car though, for what it is, it's something I would buy if I needed a second car.


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I have seen only 2 in my area. One of them regularly since the driver is a really hot asian girl, easily recognizable. Always by herself too. Just so happened today as I was leaving the bank this evening around 8ish, was pulling out and checked to make sure it was clear and saw one coming down the 3 lane road a good way down all alone, was in the lane that indicated it was going to turn onto the HWY, firgured why not lets see what type of metal the FRS is really made of. Pulled out and came up to the next light infront of it. Checked the rear view and it was the same girl. As we were sitting there she whipped out a camera and snapped a couple pics of my car. Light turned green and and we both preceeded to the next light to turn onto the HWY. It had 2 turn lanes and she pulled up next to me. Glanced over and she had the offset liscense plate and what looked like rota wheel knock offs of the CE28's. Light turned green, we both made the turn, hung back to see if she was going to get on it, sure enough she did. Hammered the Z and went right past her down the on ramp, had like 30 cars by the end of the ramp. Honestly what I thought the FRS would bring to the plate. Nothing more than a FWD motor only honda can muster. Did feel good she took a pic of the car. I have seen hers numerous times but never in the position to have both stretch their legs.

The 370 has like, 60% more horsepower...was that surprising?

Either way, I don't think she got on it as much as you think...30 cars would be ridiculous unless you are running some serious power, or it was a very long on ramp.

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Man, you guys get bent out of shape over an opinion. I own a Z and I completely agree with his review. The Z doesn't have the greatest driving position for me. My Z doesn't inspire confidence when I push it hard in the twisties like my S2000 did either(both roadsters btw). Things get even weirder above 8/10ths in the Z roadster.

I can't go back to the lack of horsepower and torque though. I love the look, the comfort, and the gadgets. The weight is really the only thing that bothers me.

Nissan needs to allow the Z to actually fully open the throttle at will at any RPM and load(i.e., the classic 1:1 feeling). It would end up being "touchy" for some at first, but it is neck snapping fun!

I'm surprised it doesn't come with a switch for Sport or ECO mode to change throttle response, and R-mode that completely disables all this nanny stuff as others have described their experience with ETC disabled in the ECU.

With the 350Z, it's easy to whip the tail when tapping the throttle in 2nd at low speeds.

2008 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe 6.2 C6 - 3216 lbs
2010 Ford Mustang GT - 3564 lbs
2007 BMW M3 (E92) - 3562 lbs
2005 Porsche Cayman S - 3093 lbs
2006 Porsche 911 Turbo - 3487 lbs
2012 Nissan Z34 370Z - 3353 lbs
2012 Nissan GT-R (Mk 3) - 3819 lbs

(Data from FastestLaps.com - Road legal sportscar lap times, stats, pictures and more!)

The 370Z's weight is right where it needs to be for cars that make noteworthy power and actually deliver the power to the ground. Why is it that we see stunt drivers absolutely ringing out the Z yet these car reviewers can't seem to tame the beast? I call shenanigans on this whole comparo and any other that has the Z against any lightweight econobox trying to be a sports car.
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my350z all over again...

Fanboi's all over again, is more like it :(

Dude you gave up like 20% rigidity and added 300 lbs with a vert. I COMPLETELY BELIEVE YOU! But you can't compare to rigid coupes to your bloated less rigid vert.

Actually you have less than 200 lbs added weight with the roadster. Not sure about the exact amount of rigidity loss, but the 370 is not like the 350 where the 'vert was an afterthought. It was designed from the get-go with a convertible version in mind and the actual performance loss is rather minimal and more than made up for by the topless experience.

Imho the Z can lose a few. 3100lbs would have been more appropriate. But it should be easy to obtain if you mod. As far as the FRS being an econobox trying to be a sports car??? That's really harsh. I look at the FRS as a prime entry level sports car that can get the novice driver in some really good sport driving habits and make the expert entertained if this were the experts daily driver.
Its not a hardcore sports car. But neither is the Z to a point. We need $2k in mods to make it that. Sure its cheap to do but we don't buy it out the box this way.
I do agree that suspension and drive feel wise, the lighter cars feel more track ready, but come underpowered for any serious sport driving. The Z comes with a serrious sport engine but needs some weight reduction. Its a trade off.
It depends what you want out a car.

I feel the Reviews are one sided and harsh on the Z. But I do believe the positive on the FRS. I just think these guuys are seriously overstating in order to belittle the Z for corporate sponsors.

3330+200 is 3530. Its already tipping the scales. I have a base sport weighing in at 3280. The vert is 200+lbs heavier than the heaviest coupe. Its still going to affect performance by a huge margin. I would never buy a 3500lb v6 roadster for performance. That's a chiillin car. Seriously
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The base Z was 3232 and base vert was 3426 which is a difference of 194lbs @ base.

So what $2k in mods will make the Z a hardcore sports car?

Get rid of cats (biggest bottle neck) upgrade suspension

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Handling-wise yeah. The Z flaws are really easily fixed with springs and sways which makes it a much more neutral handler. Given that power is already there I would say that next would be oil cooler, new pads and brake fluid. That right there makes the Z capable of being tracked a fairly long period of time. So yeah, I think 2k will satisfy the hardcore sporting driving enthusiast on the most basic and pure level of the sport driving experience.

For smoother power from the stock engine. I would agree with removing the cats. But to keep torque up, you need to go from the intake all the way back. The whole breathing section.

I didn't.... I'm comparing my current Z roadster to my last roadster, the S2000. The cars are both presented as sports cars by their respective companies so i don't have a problem making a comparison. I'm not disappointed in my Z roadster. I'm 42 and looking more for a cruiser anyway, my track days are over and didn't want a convertible sedan.

I'd say it's more $1k for brake pads/fluid and oil cooler to make it track ready. Not sure if I'd call it a hardcore sports car at that point. Sports car it definitely is, but I guess our definitions of hardcore are a little different. I'd say if you were one of the guys that stripped out their Z's for the track, then you have a hardcore sports car.

The S2k is a true sport roadster that weighed 2800lbs. The 370 is a powerful GT that weighs nearly 3500lbs. Even 90 extra hp will make it hard to cover 600lbs of extra weight.makes it hard to compare.

But like you said and I said. The Z roadster is a chillin car for cruising. We agree there.

This is funny. I love my Z, but a lot of you guys seem to be insecure with respect to your choice of sports car. This thread has reached 13 pages about a video review that no one really takes seriously -- the reviewer makes no attempt to hide his bias for the Toyota twins. To contrast, the same video only got 3 pages on the FT-86 club forums. Now we're not only criticizing the twins, we've stooped to criticism of each other's choices in Z model/trim level

Divide and conquer I guess ...

Try real tires

That too :iagree:

Alright we're done beating this dead horse