Just curious, why didn't Nissan use CVT on Z?

crazyyankfan · 08-08-2012, 10:31 PM

When looking at Nissan's lineup, almost every car uses CVT now (I'm talking automatic version of course). CVT basically eliminates gear shifting and produces smoother and more continuous power output. So why did Nissan opt to go with 7-speed auto on the Z instead of CVT? Is it just for the pleasure of the auto owners to still be able to enjoy shifting and more control in gearbox? Or is the CVT gearbox not able to handle the HP and torque?

nepali · 08-08-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyyankfan

When looking at Nissan's lineup, almost every car uses CVT now (I'm talking automatic version of course). CVT basically eliminates gear shifting and produces smoother and more continuous power output. So why did Nissan opt to go with 7-speed auto on the Z instead of CVT? Is it just for the pleasure of the auto owners to still be able to enjoy shifting and more control in gearbox? Or is the CVT gearbox not able to handle the HP and torque?

Z is a sports car!

tranceformer · 08-08-2012, 10:56 PM

I wonder if the CVT can handle 7500+ rpm? My mom has a '06 Murano and that's got the older VQ35DE that revs to 6600 rpm. Similar torque to the 3.7L we all have but slightly less HP.

just thinkin' outloud...

crazyyankfan · 08-08-2012, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nepali

Z is a sports car!

Well, CVT can get rid of the gear shift lag. Theoretically, the car should be able to go faster with CVT.

kenchan · 08-08-2012, 11:04 PM

back 3-4ys ago 7sp AT with rev match was still considered kinda new.

TheGreatOne · 08-08-2012, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

back 3-4ys ago 7sp AT with rev match was still considered kinda new.

Plus in sure that CVT would be too smooth for a sporty car like the Z, some jerkiness is still needed IMO

Nissanboy · 08-08-2012, 11:41 PM

CVT can't handle very much power, the centrifugal force would tear it apart

crazyyankfan · 08-08-2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nissanboy

CVT can't handle very much power, the centrifugal force would tear it apart

Murano has a lot of power as well.

Chan Chee Hoe · 08-09-2012, 12:27 AM

No way,CVT dulls the driving,the best now is use DSG...

crazyyankfan · 08-09-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe

No way,CVT dulls the driving,the best now is use DSG...

True. Perhaps the next generation Z will have the duel-clutch system. Personally, I would still take the traditional manual tranny over any other kinds.

whoady4shoady · 08-09-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe

No way,CVT dulls the driving,the best now is use DSG...

Yeah, that shiz is slick.

edub370 · 08-09-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chan Chee Hoe

No way,CVT dulls the driving,the best now is use DSG...

cvt's feel just terrible to drive. make the driving experience/sound completely uncomfortable to people not used to it and ruins any connection of car with driver

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Originally Posted by crazyyankfan

True. Perhaps the next generation Z will have the duel-clutch system. Personally, I would still take the traditional manual tranny over any other kinds.

dsg's are overrated. go drive an r32 golf and u will see why.

the z 7 speeds is prolly one of the best auto's on the market

crazyyankfan · 08-09-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by edub370

cvt's feel just terrible to drive. make the driving experience/sound completely uncomfortable to people not used to it and ruins any connection of car with driver

dsg's are overrated. go drive an r32 golf and u will see why.

the z 7 speeds is prolly one of the best auto's on the market

GT-R use duel clutch system

MarkGideon · 08-09-2012, 10:39 AM

The CVT is just fine for my 2.5 Altima, but I would not want one in my Z. It is really a disconnected driving experience.

Although, I do wonder at times why the little 2.5 Altima engine does just fine on the highway at 75 MPH barely turning 2,000 RPMs, while the Z is closer to 2,500 RPMs. With the extra power of the 370 it would have been nice for that extra gear in the AT to be more of an overdrive for better mileage.

Mt Tam I am · 08-09-2012, 10:50 AM

My question is not about CVT but why make a sports car with an auto at all?

08-08-2012, 10:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
crazyyankfan Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New Jersey Age: 41 Posts: 199 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z 6MT Rep Power: 13	Just curious, why didn't Nissan use CVT on Z? When looking at Nissan's lineup, almost every car uses CVT now (I'm talking automatic version of course). CVT basically eliminates gear shifting and produces smoother and more continuous power output. So why did Nissan opt to go with 7-speed auto on the Z instead of CVT? Is it just for the pleasure of the auto owners to still be able to enjoy shifting and more control in gearbox? Or is the CVT gearbox not able to handle the HP and torque?

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tranceformer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palm Beach, FL Posts: 1,213 Drives: 2009 370Z PW 6MT Rep Power: 267	I wonder if the CVT can handle 7500+ rpm? My mom has a '06 Murano and that's got the older VQ35DE that revs to 6600 rpm. Similar torque to the 3.7L we all have but slightly less HP. just thinkin' outloud... __________________ Ray 2009 370Z Base Sport 6MT / 12.860 @ 109.09mph / 1.921 60ft / street tires official 1/4 mile track times

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MarkGideon Base Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA, SC Posts: 213 Drives: 2012 370Z Base Rep Power: 13	The CVT is just fine for my 2.5 Altima, but I would not want one in my Z. It is really a disconnected driving experience. Although, I do wonder at times why the little 2.5 Altima engine does just fine on the highway at 75 MPH barely turning 2,000 RPMs, while the Z is closer to 2,500 RPMs. With the extra power of the 370 it would have been nice for that extra gear in the AT to be more of an overdrive for better mileage. __________________ 2012 370Z Base Gun Metallic--2015 Altima 2.5SV Gun Metallic--2020 Chevy Silverado RST--1965 Chevy C10 Stepside Shortbed

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