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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 It's nearly impossible to build it cheap, safe, lightweight and have the same characteristics of a modern sports car. I guess my point is, to achieve

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Old 08-03-2012, 08:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It's nearly impossible to build it cheap, safe, lightweight and have the same characteristics of a modern sports car.

I guess my point is, to achieve everything we want in a sports car, we need to use more exotic materials like carbon fiber, which has gotten a lot less expensive to produce. I read somewhere that the new Mclaren MP4-12c cost a 1/4 or a 1/3 to produce than the F1 because of new techniques. Lets hope it trickles down to us mere mortals.

You've probably seen this before. This shocked me the first time I saw it. I thought most of these old cars were tanks compared to new cars, but the thing just disintegrates. I can't imagine how a 240 would stack up.
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i saw this first hand when i rear-ended a late 90s minivan in my 77 nova years ago. the minivan won.
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I am selfish in wanting to have less Z's on the road instead of more?
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I am selfish in wanting to have less Z's on the road instead of more?
I'd be fine with a sustainable amount of units... I would like the Z to go ahead and not backwards or cease to exist in the USA... 15k-20k units a year will ensure there's enough money to make the car progressive through the years.
5 to 10k units a year is why nissan will simplify the Z and now decultify its, current standing by going more mainstream.

This is why i was never a fan of too low volume sales. Lets keep it real. The 2013 refresh is shytty because nissan isn't making much money on the Z. If they did? We,d have more hp than the v6 gencoupe. but now we come in second in the v6 hp wars... Why? low sales.
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I'd be fine with a sustainable amount of units... I would like the Z to go ahead and not backwards or cease to exist in the USA... 15k-20k units a year will ensure there's enough money to make the car progressive through the years.
5 to 10k units a year is why nissan will simplify the Z and now decultify its, current standing by going more mainstream.

This is why i was never a fan of too low volume sales. Lets keep it real. The 2013 refresh is shytty because nissan isn't making much money on the Z. If they did? We,d have more hp than the v6 gencoupe. but now we come in second in the v6 hp wars... Why? low sales.
They always leave out the Nismo in the hp wars.
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They always leave out the Nismo in the hp wars.
I guess cuz the nismo has identical performance accel numbers and is limited production???Nismo isnt any faster or slower than a base Z with sport pkg. Plus it cant be had for less than low 43's now. a gencoupe gets you 350 horses @ 31k. We lost bruh the hp war terribly. Maybe 2014? wwe'll see the new engine as a preview in the Z34??? kinda like the 07 G35 was the only year to see the VQ35hr???? The rarest vq engine out there.
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I guess cuz the nismo has identical performance accel numbers and is limited production???Nismo isnt any faster or slower than a base Z with sport pkg. Plus it cant be had for less than low 43's now. a gencoupe gets you 350 horses @ 31k. We lost bruh the hp war terribly. Maybe 2014? wwe'll see the new engine as a preview in the Z34??? kinda like the 07 G35 was the only year to see the VQ35hr???? The rarest vq engine out there.
I wouldn't say we lost, that is all market ploys! It is a number they had some engineer calculate off the flywheel, not WHP like when measured on a dyno. I know for a fact that we are faster then the genesis I can beat two guys I know with them all day! Line them up dyno vs dyno or on the track and we wil win each and every time!
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If anything we might see a preview of the new engine with the next G.
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no I hear ya same as people would rather see

$49.99 vs $50 they would think it is so much cheaper!


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Even if the genesis was faster, I still wouldnt buy one. Its still ugly to me, it still doesnt handle like a Z and last thing ITS NOT A Z and NEVER WILL BE ONE.
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