Nismo 370z vs. Standard 370z - Same aftermarket parts, any performance difference?

Kingbaby · 07-19-2012, 03:58 PM

Search seeing this was an on going discussion.

get a nismo though!

kenchan · 07-19-2012, 04:04 PM

thought the base was churning better performance data than the nismo.

specZ · 07-19-2012, 04:36 PM

Wow, really didnt expect too see another one of these threads pop up from a member whos been registered since this car's been available, but since I am trying to help before the lock...here goes nothing...(please search)

nismo Vs base/sport

Performance:Nismo vs Touringw/sport pack

Convince me to get a Nismo 370z.

My Impressions of the NISMO 370Z VS Touring

Nismo Vs. Non-Nismo

scruffydog · 07-19-2012, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by specZ

Wow, really didnt expect too see another one of these threads pop up from a member whos been registered since this car's been available, but since I am trying to help before the lock...here goes nothing...(please search)

nismo Vs base/sport

Performance:Nismo vs Touringw/sport pack

Convince me to get a Nismo 370z.

My Impressions of the NISMO 370Z VS Touring

Nismo Vs. Non-Nismo

Thanks for all these links, honestly, I wasn't trying to branch out my thread to be about body kit, and other stuff. I've read those threads and I'm only curious about the tuning aspect of it and to see if both cars were to have the same mods, it would pretty much means both cars are now starting from having 332 hp and + whatever performance gain the aftermarket provides.

For example:
Nismo 370z:
350hp delete OEM Nismo Exhaust (-18 hp) = 332 hp and then (+18 hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Sport 370z:
332hp delete OEM Exhaust and then (+18hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Or will the Nismo 370z still have bit more HP because of the tuning?

specZ · 07-19-2012, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scruffydog

Thanks for all these links, honestly, I wasn't trying to branch out my thread to be about body kit, and other stuff. I've read those threads and I'm only curious about the tuning aspect of it and to see if both cars were to have the same mods, it would pretty much means both cars are now starting from having 332 hp and + whatever performance gain the aftermarket provides.

For example:
Nismo 370z:
350hp delete OEM Nismo Exhaust (-18 hp) = 332 hp and then (+18 hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Sport 370z:
332hp delete OEM Exhaust and then (+18hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Or will the Nismo 370z still have bit more HP because of the tuning?

Not trying to beat a dead horse but, I just showed 5 links of about 40 which returned from a quick search. I have seen this topic discussed before but I think I've steered you in the right direction. Hope you find what you're looking for.

scruffydog · 07-19-2012, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by specZ

Not trying to beat a dead horse but, I just showed 5 links of about 40 which returned from a quick search. I have seen this topic discussed before but I think I've steered you in the right direction. Hope you find what you're looking for.

I've read most of the 5 links you posted and majority of them pretty much sums up the same thing, but it doesn't neccessary answer my question. In general, they all just say, if you want to mod it, go with a base/sport as oppose to a Nismo because of blah blah blah amt of money you're gonna spend or how the Nismo body kit is a waste of $$$ b/c it's ricey or whatever. - I'm not interested in that as I am not trying to figure out which car to buy. I already own a Z.

My question is "theoretical". I am not trying to go about find out whether it's worth it to buy either a Nismo or Sports with my limited budget and see which one fits me better.

I'm purely wondering if one to get a Sports 370z (let's just say) did all the Nismo suspension upgrade, body kit, etc you name it, but still running on stock ECU and original engine. So the only thing that's identical to the Factory Nismo. Should they have the same HP if they both has the same exhaust system (whether if it's Nismo exhaust or any other aftermarket one)?

One thing we know for sure is that Nissan claimed: Nismo got their extra 18 hp from Exhaust and a tuning. But is the exhaust alone +18hp? or is it from a little bit of both?

Kingbaby · 07-19-2012, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scruffydog

Thanks for all these links, honestly, I wasn't trying to branch out my thread to be about body kit, and other stuff. I've read those threads and I'm only curious about the tuning aspect of it and to see if both cars were to have the same mods, it would pretty much means both cars are now starting from having 332 hp and + whatever performance gain the aftermarket provides.

For example:
Nismo 370z:
350hp delete OEM Nismo Exhaust (-18 hp) = 332 hp and then (+18 hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Sport 370z:
332hp delete OEM Exhaust and then (+18hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Or will the Nismo 370z still have bit more HP because of the tuning?

No, both cars HP will vary since mods have been added and not tuned. Having a car slightly tuned before mods i.e. Nismo doesn't mean it carries over. I believe that's what you asking.

Either way the body kit will hold the Nismo back in a straight line race, it's like .1 in 1/4. On a course the Nismo vs Sport is marginal with the same driver, unless said course has high speed turns/braking areas. Then the Nismo will shy forward.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-19-2012, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scruffydog

Thanks for all these links, honestly, I wasn't trying to branch out my thread to be about body kit, and other stuff. I've read those threads and I'm only curious about the tuning aspect of it and to see if both cars were to have the same mods, it would pretty much means both cars are now starting from having 332 hp and + whatever performance gain the aftermarket provides.

For example:
Nismo 370z:
350hp delete OEM Nismo Exhaust (-18 hp) = 332 hp and then (+18 hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Sport 370z:
332hp delete OEM Exhaust and then (+18hp for FI CBE) = 350 hp

Or will the Nismo 370z still have bit more HP because of the tuning?

Generally. you get about 6ish hp from the nismo exhaust. The ecu is the same but tuned differently. The extra 12ish hp comes from a in house tune that is NOT provided aftermarket. you can yield the same hp by getting a basic magnaflow exhaust $700 and a basic tune $700. so for 1400 you can yield identical results on a $34k base+sport. the best part about any tune isnt the amount of hp it creates, but the lengthening of both tq and hp
bands.

but dude is right... it has been over-covered from all aspects...

Kingbaby · 07-19-2012, 04:55 PM

^^^

+1

better member than myself, he provided the links for you!

tjlazer · 07-19-2012, 05:39 PM

Plus if you retune each car with all the same mods, they will be tuned the same way and this new tune will negate the old Nismo tune.

It is believed the 18 HP increase is from the S-Tune exhaust and a mild tune.

Kingbaby · 07-19-2012, 05:50 PM

To your question in post #23...answer is YES, seeing you can get the Nismo tune from the dealer.

There was a thread of a member who got "hooked up" from the dealer with the tune.

dmhenderson · 07-19-2012, 05:55 PM

Ok since you don't want to click specZ's links, let me summarize:
-Both cars have identical VQ37VHR engines.
-The nismo has unique bells and whistles including bigger wheels, a stiffer suspension, a really nice looking body kit + wing, and a nicer exhaust.

This isn't like say...a mustang or a corvette where different trims have entirely different engines and are built differently.

All Z34s are identical deep down. You can replicate/exceed the nismo's performance in a base with a few bolt-ons. Those same bolt-ons will provide the same gains in a nismo (assuming you don't replace nismo-specific parts) and the Z34 is fun because it lends itself easily to modding.

KaienZ34 · 07-19-2012, 05:57 PM

The nismo's extra power comes from the exhaust and a different tune. Not that big a deal.

KaienZ34 · 07-19-2012, 06:02 PM

It's a bit of both.

Ok you can close thread now.

scruffydog · 07-19-2012, 06:13 PM

Thanks, that was helpful.

07-19-2012, 05:39 PM	#10 (permalink)
tjlazer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tacoma Age: 53 Posts: 2,496 Drives: Z34, R35 Rep Power: 20	Plus if you retune each car with all the same mods, they will be tuned the same way and this new tune will negate the old Nismo tune. It is believed the 18 HP increase is from the S-Tune exhaust and a mild tune. __________________ 2009 370Z Monterey Blue,Nismo Conversion,RE-11's, K&N Typhoon intakes,Blue Kickplates,Homelink,FI 18" CBE,ERZ HFCs,Hotchkis sways, Swift Spec-R, EVO-R Highwing, UPREV

07-19-2012, 05:57 PM	#13 (permalink)
KaienZ34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LA. not L.a. Posts: 21,652 Drives: Z34 Tour/Sport Rep Power: 178	The nismo's extra power comes from the exhaust and a different tune. Not that big a deal. __________________ *"These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends"* http://www.the370z.com/members/kaienz34-albums-z34.html

07-19-2012, 06:02 PM	#14 (permalink)
KaienZ34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LA. not L.a. Posts: 21,652 Drives: Z34 Tour/Sport Rep Power: 178	It's a bit of both. Ok you can close thread now. __________________ *"These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends"* http://www.the370z.com/members/kaienz34-albums-z34.html

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kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	thought the base was churning better performance data than the nismo.

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dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 27	Ok since you don't want to click specZ's links, let me summarize: -Both cars have identical VQ37VHR engines. -The nismo has unique bells and whistles including bigger wheels, a stiffer suspension, a really nice looking body kit + wing, and a nicer exhaust. This isn't like say...a mustang or a corvette where different trims have entirely different engines and are built differently. All Z34s are identical deep down. You can replicate/exceed the nismo's performance in a base with a few bolt-ons. Those same bolt-ons will provide the same gains in a nismo (assuming you don't replace nismo-specific parts) and the Z34 is fun because it lends itself easily to modding.

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scruffydog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,113 Drives: with his eyes close Rep Power: 718	Thanks, that was helpful.