Originally Posted by cstr_Cali (Post 95000)

If the end of the muscle car era means no more dated, overweight, poorly engineered and designed RWD "pony" cars then that is fine by me. In my eyes the current muscle car crop defines what's wrong with the domestic auto industry... .

Originally Posted by cstr_Cali (Post 95000)

Muscle cars don't have to die they just have to change....Agree

Originally Posted by bluzman (Post 91119)

Off topic but...I get a major dose of nostalgia when I think of what "was" vs. what "is" regarding muscle cars. I had the great good fortune to be able to drive a new dark blue, white convertible topped, Hurst floor shift equipped, 389 CID GTO (the first muscle car, some may argue) for an extended period. It belonged to a buddy who was a midshipman at the Naval Academy who left it with my roommates and me in Annapolis while he was on cruise before graduation. It was 1965, I was 21, unencumbered and invincible, and god how I loved to take that car on the back roads in southern Maryland and let it all hang out. The experience hooked me forever. Recently I happened to see several GTOs of that vintage being sold for staggering amounts at a Mecum auction. It was no surprise that the buyers looked like guys from my generation. Ok, back on topic.

Originally Posted by bluzman (Post 91119)

Off topic but...I get a major dose of nostalgia when I think of what "was" vs. what "is" regarding muscle cars. I had the great good fortune to be able to drive a new dark blue, white convertible topped, Hurst floor shift equipped, 389 CID GTO (the first muscle car, some may argue) for an extended period. It belonged to a buddy who was a midshipman at the Naval Academy who left it with my roommates and me in Annapolis while he was on cruise before graduation. It was 1965, I was 21, unencumbered and invincible, and god how I loved to take that car on the back roads in southern Maryland and let it all hang out. The experience hooked me forever. Recently I happened to see several GTOs of that vintage being sold for staggering amounts at a Mecum auction. It was no surprise that the buyers looked like guys from my generation. Ok, back on topic.

Originally Posted by jakoye (Post 92528)

I don't care. Really, I don't. I want gas to be cheap. I want 300+ horses under my hood. I want to hear the roar of a gasoline-powered engine, not the hum of a glorified golf cart.

And, I want that Z I'm gonna buy to stay in the low 30K range. I don't want it to be a 40/50K sports car. This is what's gonna happen if we start instituting carbon taxes.

I say "no".

Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan (Post 437074)

I wasn't ever a fan of muscle cars. I like power but those big bloated porkers are a Timex watch in a digital age. They are only good in a straight line and are like crap going down the toilet in the twistses. May they Rest In Peace.

Originally Posted by ZKindaGuy (Post 93553)

The one thing I learned in the 55 years I have lived...in regards to anything that is being poo-pooed by the majority population, the media or the government....if you lie down to those pundits then the tide will certainly swing in that direction and what you once enjoyed will end for you. However if people would just stop being so damn apathetic and fight back then there is a good chance the era won't come to an end.

The problem is that the minority who enjoy the "era" things think they if they make their own individual voice heard and cry out loudly against the majority then they will be dooming themselves to being targeted for redicule and even attack by the majority.

Well so what???!! It has been this way since the beginning of time. But history has proven the loudest and strongest are not necessilary the majority. So quit putting your head between your legs and start getting involved in those efforts that exist to counter the pundits. And if no efforts exist then start one of your own grassroots style.

Lets face it..do you actualy think that this country came about as a result of our forefathers outnumbering the Brits?

Originally Posted by Mergnthwirker (Post 90673)

Have you seen the latest Toyota Prius ad with the happy green car driving up the mountain, birds singing, trees greening, etc. etc.??

Makes me want to puke!

Originally Posted by dad (Post 437529)

What goes around comes around! The Z will be in the same category in the future!

Originally Posted by GingaBreadMan (Post 438283)

I doubt it. With all of the electronic gizmos, safety equipment, and sound deadening cars are only going to get heavier. Instead of making a car that handles well they have a computer control body roll (magnetorheological shocks). I enjoy big power, but not in exchange of increased weight. The funny thing is that muscle cars in the past weighted less than most sports cars now. If you want to do burnouts and go fast in a straight line you get a GT500, or a Challenger. You wanna have an all around kick a$$ vehicle you get a Z.

Originally Posted by hot370z (Post 90745)

Never American Muscle CAR!!!!!!!!!! will never END. It's in are blood.

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 90655)

Agree about the muscle cars...MotorTrend just said the same thing during their Mustang, Challenger, Camaro comparison this month.

Last generation of the Z though...fat chance. Nissan has a huge Z following and automakers are struggling to be profitable. Unless this Z falls flat on its face with sales, I think we're bound to see more iterations in the future.