The invoice used to be 28k for a base model, is it too far fetched that a dealer sold it for under invoice???
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...ice-price.html

6 k under msrp on a z!?? The car holds it's value. If anyone here has gotten a brand new Z for over 6k under msrp speak up now.
And not for nothing, after all the other fees that come along with buying a new car, you are closer to the 40 mark anyway. Taxes, title, delivery, etc. but regardless of that, the whole point I was trying to make was that for the money, the Subaru is a good rwd car.

That's from 3 years ago lol. You can't compare 3 year old prices against a car that's brand new.
With your link then maybe 3 years ago he did get the car for what he said. But I still doubt his price.

I am going to assume you left out "new" for the money? That is the only thing it has won so far.

the Z imo is a fun car to drive, just not the same type of fun the frs/brz are, i have driven the BRZ before and although its a blast to take on a back road, it doesnt have enough power imo, just today i took my Z on the same back road as i did when i test drove the BRZ and i had loads more fun, i was able to take corners faster than the BRZ, and i was able to exit on the straights and take off, but with the brz, the back end was sliding(VSC Sport mode FTW) and that was a difference experience all together

in all reality, it depends on what type of experience you want, they are both fun cars to drive and if i could own both i would, but i would never trade in my Z for a BRZ

I test drove all 3 (FR-S BRZ and 370Z) two months ago before deciding on the Z. I went in completely unbiased and there was such a notible power difference it made it an easy choice. They do corner well but you can't really go anywhere once your out of it.

Having just bought my Z I actually test drove both the FR-S and the BRZ along with a few other cars, but out of all of them the Z was my favorite. FR-S; I liked the front end but the interior felt cheap. BRZ; Better interior but didn't have as good of a feel. I almost got a 135is but the steering in that felt really bad, loose like my S10.

The BRZ looks to be a fun car but its got a subaru boxer motor. I would certainly not call that a good thing for longevity of the car. Sure, it should be fine at stock power levels but given the short piston skirt design of all of the new subaru engines making power and having any sort of longevity from the motor are basically impossible.

:bowrofl:

You build alot of subaru motors?

The factory STI's have alot of problems with piston ring lands and the reason has to do with poor bottom end design. So to make power you have to go away from cast pistons even on the WRX like your own that don't have the same amount of ring land problems meaning that your expansion rates are alot higher in the piston and piston skirt length becomes increasingly important. The problem is that there isn't any room to expand the length of the skirt so with forged pistons you get alot of slap on start up until they expand to fit the bore. Ever driven an STI or WRX with forged internals? They all piston slap because of expansion rates until they come up to temp unless you spring for Cosworth pistons due to metal type. You get Weisco/CP your going to have alot of slap on start up. This slap = mechanical cylinder wall wear you will be lucky to see 50,000mi on a Weisco/Cp setup and 100,000 on a Cosworth setup.

That's a cast internal issue, not a fundamental design issue. Piston slap after switching to forged internals is common across many platforms, and while it might be trivially more prevalent due to the "mini skirts" on the EJ, I've seen zero evidence that the cylinder walls wear any faster than they do on other platforms. Additional wear from start-up slap is 99% academic. I would not fret it at all.

Your discussion of Cosworth vs others clearly demonstrates that it isn't an inherent design flaw, it is just something that needs to be worked with.

For the STIs, I've seen far more evidence that the ringland issues are due to a bad tune, vs a bad design.


We've still got a lot to see on how the FA performs, since it is clearly it's own beast. Trying to make straight up comparisons to the EJ at this point is ridiculous...almost as ridiculous as saying the EJ doesn't hold up to big power over time.

Fúck, mods, can we close this bítch up, it isn't going anywhere...
99% of is like the Z more than the FRS, that's why we're here.
Case closed, job done

On an Internet forum, no car is better than the one in the one you own. It's a proven fact. Statistics don't lie.

If its cheaper, it doesn't perform as well and is cheaply made

If its more expensive, why would you pay that much? I can turbo mine for $1000

If its the same price, we must comment on something obscure to validate our purchase

By this logic, I will say that the brz is not as fast as the z and isn't as nice.


(For those that are not aware, someone dug up an old thread just to watch this happen...)

Actually if you read, a mod moved some stuff here which caused it to get bumped. Material being discussed in another thread. And you are right, but not by logic, but by fact. If you were talking the FR/Z compared to the miata, that would be logic.

lol