Cars with same price with warranty vs cars with same price with warranty is a good comparison. What is the specualtive price out the box for the STI version?

Reading comprehension kills you.

I never once said it was fast.

Reread my damn original post.

I also said I'm a sucker for Hp and torque so my z is here to stay.

What I did say was fast isn't always the definition of fun which is why there's a market for miatas and brz, lotus Elise, mini coopers.

You are blinded by your z and is a fanboy. I'm done arguing.

Again I'm comparing new to new, yet you can't grasp that concept.

Learn to stop paper racing and actually drive those aforementioned cars. They all provide a unique go cart and very responsive handling feel, which is what some people like.

I am a car person. Who enjoys gocarts when they go slow? I want a gocart that goes fast. Now the elise sport clips almost identical numbers to the z, but even used come in around $30k. Not comparing apples to apples there when referencing the frz. If I wanted a go cart experience and go fast I would have gotten a VW r32. The only thing I guess the frz wins in is that it is "new". Guess your trump card beats all of mine....

Now if I was ill-informed, had $27k to spend, and it had to be "new", wait a minute, I am a car person, so new doesnt factor in my equation, performance all around does. That my friend is why the frz is not that great in the big picture scheme of things. Great for "new" at $25k, but not "great" for $25k. So many better options out there. There is a laundry list of better all around cars for $25k that have less than 20k miles.

End of story/ close thread

Btw guys I enjoy my z and would never trade it for a brz. But I won't hate on other great cars. I'm really looking to see what they announce for the STI. Anyways.

If you actually have road time behind a brz then contribute to this thread in a more meaningful way. Too many people paper racing like the guy 2 posts above that hasn't even been behind the wheel of one.

I have test drove one. My local dealer has like 5 just sitting there. They are no where near as fun as the Z. Maybe if I had never driven a RWD car, and that is a big maybe. You want a fun fast gocart experience ride in my integra I have built, it even has basic bolt-ons for the motor, cant speak for the lack of work under the car, but in a straight line I still think its 150whp non-vtec will even outrun it. It even has wider tires than that car Lol. I bought a RWD for the sole purpose of being able to run the back out with just a light press of the throttle, not have to push the car to its limits to get it to break loose some 215's. The z using only odd number gears will still outpreform the frz.


I do agree with the STI version, but that again would be dependt on price. If it is anywhere near the same price as a regular STI, and I was looking for a boosted RWD sports car that is priced similar whether it is new or not I might have to lean towards the Z4 sdrive35i or the 135i m. But looks might steer me towards the STI version out the box though and the fact I can only imagine the aftermarket parts that will flood the market. But then again a 135i m with a JB4 tune is hard to beat both looks and performance.

Please tell me more about how he got a new Z for 26
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/t...A6D3C9C55B.jpg

Everyone has thier opinions, I can respect that. But now you're pulling numbers out of ur *** lol.

Not to discredit you but you do know there are still 2012's that are new on the lots that the dealers are trying to get rid right? And the BRZ STI reminds me so much of the S2000 CR's, which I was always a big fan of.

http://media.caranddriver.com/images...-s-429x262.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eZ4RVAy4Br...Bof%2B2012.jpg

For 26.5k ? Then why didn't you buy new lol

This thread is way too funny

To the OP the brz is great for what it is. It's no power house but it is fun.

It's hard to find a low mileage 2012 for less than 29k. I was in the market for th last 4 months trying to find the right one. Cars don't drastically lose value when the next model year comes out unless there is a massive change in the design, which we all know didn't happen. And even if it did, it would be a 8k drop in price lol. If he got a new one for 26.5, which is bs, assuming he paid all cash, the taxes put him over 28 lol. This entire discussion is pointless.
All I can say is that I enjoyed the BRZ when I drove the **** out of it. But as others have mentioned, I wouldn't trade my Z for one because the power just isn't there. But it doesn't make it any less of a car.

Same here, it's lacking the punch I personally like but the car feels great and fun.

1st: I paid 25k for a sport base with the exact color and interior and transmisson I wanted and under the milage I wanted
2nd: I believe the person that mentioned that price also stated it was just a base, but then again he wasnt 100% sure and would leave that to the person that purchased, and I by no means I have seen this price
3rd: The poster that quoted the prices showed 2013's which albeit are "new", but some lots still have 2012's for sale that are "new", which logic dictates that those will be priced lower dependt upon how bad they are trying to get rid of them, again I havent called but I have seen on here several people mantioning that the deals are pretty good on the lots that got an abundance of 2013's in and had a few left over 2012's
4th: You come across like a guy that would get beat in a race and still argue that it doesnt matter since your car is new and for you fun to drive?
5th: Fun for you might not be fun for someone else

Am I right or wrong on all those points made?

I think the FR/Z has tone of potential but only priced accordingly at $15k used. Another $10k would bring it to the level that the Z competes and is fun at. I personally love the body kits that are out for it too. And the rocket bunny one I think looks way better than the amuse and priced less with the spoiler add-on. I am simply stating it is overpriced and anemically underpowered for the price of what you can get on the open market.

Read your 5th line and tell yourself that over and over, before you continue to bash the brz.

Magazine writers and others think the brz is fun, it may not be to you but it's no less of a car.

I don't know about you, but I would never buy a used sports car but that's a whole other argument.

Good luck everyone, this thread has became a bashed thread so ill stay out from here on.

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This is the salient point, I think. We have different priorities when buying cars, even performance cars.

You're not impressed with the car at its price point.

FairladyZ thinks it's a lot of fun for the money.

I'm probably somewhere in the middle.

We're all entitled to our opinions, there's no right or wrong.

And they all have stated the reason it is fun to drive it because you can take the car to "its" limits. Not other cars limits. The car is so underpowered it is fun to a degree. Basically it is harder to kill yourself in and doesnt scare you at times like most other higher HP RWD cars do. The Z can get out from under you faster than a heart attack if you are not giving it the respect it deserves. The FR/Z is the type of car you can just pretty much beat on like a redheaded stepchild and be within your comfort zone, if you know what I mean. I mean come on, the thing comes with 215's on the rear, that should be enough to tell you were the fun lies. All reviewers have also stated that after a few runs you will wishing for 100 more whp too. I am not denying that it wouldnt be fun to take out on a few hot laps, but the fun would very quickly fade if you owned one. That is all I am saying. My Z to this day still hasnt gotten boring, and will still kill me quicker than a New York city second.

How is 33k close to 40k?

And have you never heard of a car selling for 6k under MSRP? Shít happens