Please tell me more about how he got a new Z for 26
http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/t...A6D3C9C55B.jpg

Everyone has thier opinions, I can respect that. But now you're pulling numbers out of ur *** lol.

Not to discredit you but you do know there are still 2012's that are new on the lots that the dealers are trying to get rid right? And the BRZ STI reminds me so much of the S2000 CR's, which I was always a big fan of.

http://media.caranddriver.com/images...-s-429x262.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-eZ4RVAy4Br...Bof%2B2012.jpg

For 26.5k ? Then why didn't you buy new lol

This thread is way too funny

To the OP the brz is great for what it is. It's no power house but it is fun.

It's hard to find a low mileage 2012 for less than 29k. I was in the market for th last 4 months trying to find the right one. Cars don't drastically lose value when the next model year comes out unless there is a massive change in the design, which we all know didn't happen. And even if it did, it would be a 8k drop in price lol. If he got a new one for 26.5, which is bs, assuming he paid all cash, the taxes put him over 28 lol. This entire discussion is pointless.
All I can say is that I enjoyed the BRZ when I drove the **** out of it. But as others have mentioned, I wouldn't trade my Z for one because the power just isn't there. But it doesn't make it any less of a car.

Same here, it's lacking the punch I personally like but the car feels great and fun.

1st: I paid 25k for a sport base with the exact color and interior and transmisson I wanted and under the milage I wanted
2nd: I believe the person that mentioned that price also stated it was just a base, but then again he wasnt 100% sure and would leave that to the person that purchased, and I by no means I have seen this price
3rd: The poster that quoted the prices showed 2013's which albeit are "new", but some lots still have 2012's for sale that are "new", which logic dictates that those will be priced lower dependt upon how bad they are trying to get rid of them, again I havent called but I have seen on here several people mantioning that the deals are pretty good on the lots that got an abundance of 2013's in and had a few left over 2012's
4th: You come across like a guy that would get beat in a race and still argue that it doesnt matter since your car is new and for you fun to drive?
5th: Fun for you might not be fun for someone else

Am I right or wrong on all those points made?

I think the FR/Z has tone of potential but only priced accordingly at $15k used. Another $10k would bring it to the level that the Z competes and is fun at. I personally love the body kits that are out for it too. And the rocket bunny one I think looks way better than the amuse and priced less with the spoiler add-on. I am simply stating it is overpriced and anemically underpowered for the price of what you can get on the open market.

Read your 5th line and tell yourself that over and over, before you continue to bash the brz.

Magazine writers and others think the brz is fun, it may not be to you but it's no less of a car.

I don't know about you, but I would never buy a used sports car but that's a whole other argument.

Good luck everyone, this thread has became a bashed thread so ill stay out from here on.

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This is the salient point, I think. We have different priorities when buying cars, even performance cars.

You're not impressed with the car at its price point.

FairladyZ thinks it's a lot of fun for the money.

I'm probably somewhere in the middle.

We're all entitled to our opinions, there's no right or wrong.

And they all have stated the reason it is fun to drive it because you can take the car to "its" limits. Not other cars limits. The car is so underpowered it is fun to a degree. Basically it is harder to kill yourself in and doesnt scare you at times like most other higher HP RWD cars do. The Z can get out from under you faster than a heart attack if you are not giving it the respect it deserves. The FR/Z is the type of car you can just pretty much beat on like a redheaded stepchild and be within your comfort zone, if you know what I mean. I mean come on, the thing comes with 215's on the rear, that should be enough to tell you were the fun lies. All reviewers have also stated that after a few runs you will wishing for 100 more whp too. I am not denying that it wouldnt be fun to take out on a few hot laps, but the fun would very quickly fade if you owned one. That is all I am saying. My Z to this day still hasnt gotten boring, and will still kill me quicker than a New York city second.

How is 33k close to 40k?

And have you never heard of a car selling for 6k under MSRP? Shít happens

The invoice used to be 28k for a base model, is it too far fetched that a dealer sold it for under invoice???
http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-p...ice-price.html

6 k under msrp on a z!?? The car holds it's value. If anyone here has gotten a brand new Z for over 6k under msrp speak up now.
And not for nothing, after all the other fees that come along with buying a new car, you are closer to the 40 mark anyway. Taxes, title, delivery, etc. but regardless of that, the whole point I was trying to make was that for the money, the Subaru is a good rwd car.

That's from 3 years ago lol. You can't compare 3 year old prices against a car that's brand new.
With your link then maybe 3 years ago he did get the car for what he said. But I still doubt his price.

I am going to assume you left out "new" for the money? That is the only thing it has won so far.

the Z imo is a fun car to drive, just not the same type of fun the frs/brz are, i have driven the BRZ before and although its a blast to take on a back road, it doesnt have enough power imo, just today i took my Z on the same back road as i did when i test drove the BRZ and i had loads more fun, i was able to take corners faster than the BRZ, and i was able to exit on the straights and take off, but with the brz, the back end was sliding(VSC Sport mode FTW) and that was a difference experience all together

in all reality, it depends on what type of experience you want, they are both fun cars to drive and if i could own both i would, but i would never trade in my Z for a BRZ

I test drove all 3 (FR-S BRZ and 370Z) two months ago before deciding on the Z. I went in completely unbiased and there was such a notible power difference it made it an easy choice. They do corner well but you can't really go anywhere once your out of it.

Having just bought my Z I actually test drove both the FR-S and the BRZ along with a few other cars, but out of all of them the Z was my favorite. FR-S; I liked the front end but the interior felt cheap. BRZ; Better interior but didn't have as good of a feel. I almost got a 135is but the steering in that felt really bad, loose like my S10.

The BRZ looks to be a fun car but its got a subaru boxer motor. I would certainly not call that a good thing for longevity of the car. Sure, it should be fine at stock power levels but given the short piston skirt design of all of the new subaru engines making power and having any sort of longevity from the motor are basically impossible.

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You build alot of subaru motors?

The factory STI's have alot of problems with piston ring lands and the reason has to do with poor bottom end design. So to make power you have to go away from cast pistons even on the WRX like your own that don't have the same amount of ring land problems meaning that your expansion rates are alot higher in the piston and piston skirt length becomes increasingly important. The problem is that there isn't any room to expand the length of the skirt so with forged pistons you get alot of slap on start up until they expand to fit the bore. Ever driven an STI or WRX with forged internals? They all piston slap because of expansion rates until they come up to temp unless you spring for Cosworth pistons due to metal type. You get Weisco/CP your going to have alot of slap on start up. This slap = mechanical cylinder wall wear you will be lucky to see 50,000mi on a Weisco/Cp setup and 100,000 on a Cosworth setup.

That's a cast internal issue, not a fundamental design issue. Piston slap after switching to forged internals is common across many platforms, and while it might be trivially more prevalent due to the "mini skirts" on the EJ, I've seen zero evidence that the cylinder walls wear any faster than they do on other platforms. Additional wear from start-up slap is 99% academic. I would not fret it at all.

Your discussion of Cosworth vs others clearly demonstrates that it isn't an inherent design flaw, it is just something that needs to be worked with.

For the STIs, I've seen far more evidence that the ringland issues are due to a bad tune, vs a bad design.


We've still got a lot to see on how the FA performs, since it is clearly it's own beast. Trying to make straight up comparisons to the EJ at this point is ridiculous...almost as ridiculous as saying the EJ doesn't hold up to big power over time.

Fúck, mods, can we close this bítch up, it isn't going anywhere...
99% of is like the Z more than the FRS, that's why we're here.
Case closed, job done

On an Internet forum, no car is better than the one in the one you own. It's a proven fact. Statistics don't lie.

If its cheaper, it doesn't perform as well and is cheaply made

If its more expensive, why would you pay that much? I can turbo mine for $1000

If its the same price, we must comment on something obscure to validate our purchase

By this logic, I will say that the brz is not as fast as the z and isn't as nice.


(For those that are not aware, someone dug up an old thread just to watch this happen...)

Actually if you read, a mod moved some stuff here which caused it to get bumped. Material being discussed in another thread. And you are right, but not by logic, but by fact. If you were talking the FR/Z compared to the miata, that would be logic.

lol

This should be an auto-read before you're even able to enter the forum section of any car forum. Maybe it'll make all the idiots STFU and stop killing our eyesight and time? lol:owned:

Mods must be the only ones liking this thread..

so you brought an old thread up??? Shame on you 5 for bringing up this thread again. lol:eekdance::shakes head:

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