370z Vs Rx 7
 

Ok guys - asking this on this board to get a different feel for the build as compared to the RX 7 or rotary boards.

What i am looking to do is build an acceleration monster for running NC vallies and country back roads. Not really too much top end speed but getting from 20-150 asap i feel could be fun.

Current cars:

2012 Nissan GTR


So ya, i have godzilla and am contimplating just putting in an AMS kit and calling it good but i thought i would expand the stable a little bit and see what opinions you guys have about it.

370z build with engine mods will be a must. Thinking 550-700 TO THE WHEELS would be necessary. Pros for this are is availablity and relative ease of the build. there are also a plethera of tuners to do such a build. next would be styling of the car. cool looking with great lines but this is also a negative as well since there are so many of them around. Body kit of extreme quality would be a nice option if you guys have ideas on such kits please let me know.

RX 7 - very light weight and cheap to get started. I have a few shops willing to fortify a 20B for me to support the 600+ HP i am asking for. These shops / engines aren't cheap. Also going with a True Veilside Fortune kit for it. Pros are amazing styling of that kit if you like the kit and power to weight ration. question is will i need some huge gaudy *** wing to keep that power gripped to the road.

I am also considering dual charging both cars if possible. SC for low end then Turbo for the high end - much like that gentlemen did in CA with his lotus


Lets try and keep this discussion to the finer points of the builds with no hazing / raggin on any posters or their opinions - we are all adults here.


Thanks

Greg

another side note.... reliabilty

since its not going to be a redline car 95% fo the car but hovering at 5-6500 rpms i would like the relability to be there.

20-150 asap i feel could be fun to go to jail.

Vin diesel time

:wtf2:

built 370z will leave a stockish gtr from about 50mph on. tons of fun.

rx7's are great cars, but as u said, finding rotary specialists/parts is getting harder by the day.

can you still get te veilside fortune kit? i thought they were discontinued..

RX7 with LS1 drop-in :stirthepot:

then, of course, take it to the TRACK to enjoy, not the streets.

Step 1: pics of your gtr.

Ive had a few rotars in the past and you know they carbon up if you dont redline them frequently. you mentioned you dont need top end so maybe the Z is a better option. Rotors are gonna need more maintance too and arent cheap to do so. On a side note theres a guy here in sydney with a 20B powered 350z. 800hp animal.

:iagree:

So you have a GTR, and you're selling your yellow 370z because you have a kid on the way, and are now looking to by a RX-7 or another 370z again?

http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/368...370z-sale.html

Somethings smells like BS

PLEASE dont ever do this... ever....

im gonna pistol whip the next guy who drops a damn LS in an rx7. TRIANGLES FTW!

Did op say 370s are everywhere...... I have seen only 4 just randomly driving around in 3 years on the road (obviously see a lot in my Cars and Coffee meets)

Check the numbers only about 30K Z's sold 2009-2011 which makes it pretty rare.

:owned:

trollolol?

:pics:

:iagree:

in the past year i have seen 4 diff Z's in my travels. i have seen 7-8 (same color ones couldn't see the driver lol) diff GT-R's in the same amount of time.

Be careful, they might pistol shoot you. :icon17:

Ok - as for the yellow z I had last year the master cylinder in the clutch dropped continuously even with only a few thousand miles - so Nissan bought it back.

As for my child - lost her in first trimester so thanks for calling me a "troll" or full of "bs"


So I can provide pics of my gtr if you all need proof but all in all some of you guys are being flat out pricks.


Can we get back on track o the post. I see on average 10-12 370z around Knoxville regularly.

You can get the fortune kit if you buy from veilside Japan and pay or air freight - comes out to about 13k before install and paint

sorry to hear op

i would build the Z. newer platform and less known issues than the rotary rx-7. Z's cooling problems are easily solved.

Though I do love rx-7, I feel like the Z is "safer" choice.

Thank you zman8 for your condolences and opinions! I'm going to z1 this weekend to talk to them face to face

it seems you already have what you need.

sorry for your loss op...

but honestly if it was me, id build an FD3.

seems like you want something more exclusive then the Z since you stated that you
see alot of Z's in your area, and the FD is definately more exclusive then the Z.

i think with the other 2 builds, they are super cool, but you will have trouble getting that power down to the ground.

X2, I had a pristine gen3 bought at 22k miles and in the family for 3 yrs. I was working with a good tuner, following all the advice, turbo timer, synthetic oil added to the gas for the apex seals, a few other things I don't recall. it was driven spirited but not abused and it was a blast from 4-9k, a dog till you got to 4k.

It was an unreliable moneypit, moreso then any car I ever owned. That said if you are ready to go to your favorite tuner and drop 8k or so BEFORE you touch the engine it will be a semi reliable screamer. But it will go down and you will be spending more money on it waiting to get it back. Add more to the hassle if your favorite rotary specialist lives far away.

IMO there really isn't much better then what you already have except maybe a lotus. Its small and light making it quick and good in turns. The low relative HP shouldn't be an issue since you won't be going that fast on public roads.

If you want to waste money.

LSX for the win.

@rockcrawler thanks for the money pit advice

maybe this will help with the progress of either build. Looking at spending 50-65k out the door.

Everything i'm about to type is just me relaying it to the board not sure if there is very much validity to it until i meet them and hand them a check with some form of guarantee in hand

I have spoken withe a few rotary guys that will back a 600hp rotor but the engine cost alone is 25-30k.

now i know i can pick up an 09 Z and go to GTM or Z1 and put 25-30k in it and have a 700 HP monster - question is will that be similar in quickness with much higher reliability.

yes i understand that when there is that much work reliability is always a subjective term.

if you're gonna spend that much money on a Z, why don't you just put it into that '12 GT-R?

I'm just having trouble grasping the concept of having one of the quickest cars in the world and wanting to get the baby version and dump 30k into it.

:confused:

Some prefer the idea of a RWD manual car when canyon carving or back road runs.
For the OP, honestly if you are doing an engine swap (2J/RB/LSx) I would consider the RX7 but I would not drop the money if you are not going that road. The 370z is a great platform to work with, but you are going to drop 25k on engine/upgrades and then you will need to do suspension, brakes and tires.

This.


Also bear in mind that the power levels you are talking are very much a stretch for the stock transmission, especially if you are talking high speed pulls.

4th and 5th struggle heavily if you spend a lot of time makin pulls there.

or the op could buy me a GTR ....


jk

mod the Z it will last longer as far as rust and all that crap dont get me wrong the rx7 i love but i like the Z more as a DD

:iagree: Turn the GT-R into the AMS Alpha Omega and be done. See you everyone else and thanks for playing. :gtfo2:

Plus if you want something to just throw around the back roads it is simple. Get a Lotus Exige and dual charge it and be done. It doesn't get more fun than that.

:twocents:

:iagree: plus gtr 4 seats

isn't 700 hp overkill for backroads?

not if you are the STIG :ugh2:

i saw the lotus dual charge - any clue on builders / costs?

as for the GTR it is such a pretty car stock - i kinda want to keep it as is - since its a 2012 and all that jazz


yes the RX 7 build would be a 20B - 3 rotor engine swap with custom 6 speed tranny. My builder has a straight frame which is being donated to the build if i go that route. engine would be the 20B with custom tranny and then its the Fortune kit and coil overs etc.

the last one he built like this weighed in at 2600 lbs - i know the lotus can beat it :-P


such fun decisions

Yea but you would need to be on the West Coast. But hey you could probably get it freighted there in back if you were willing to pay 13k on a veilside kit for the RX-7. Never priced the lotus out out and don't think the guy who owns the first one tells how much money he has in it. You would be out $40k +- for platform alone with the Exige. More if you want a newer model. You would have to decide where the cutoff is on what you want to spend on car + mods and then research it and see what platforms are available. It seems you have limited it to the Z and RX. But is that because that is what you want and falls within your budget or have you researched other possibilities? I would get on lotustalk and see if maybe there is someone closer that could build one.

with the money you're talking about i still say dump it into your GT-R. the AMS OMEGA just posted a 8.62 1/4 mile and 233.1 standing mile and that was only at 1200HP of the available 1600HP it has! and i'm sure the 1050 ft/lb of torque is enough for you.