Z impressions from a GTR owner

spearfish25 · 05-31-2009, 08:37 PM

Can someone explain the desire for hill assist in the MT 370Z? If you can hold the car with the e-brake, I don't understand the need for the feature or even how it could be implemented in a MT.

Phimosis · 05-31-2009, 08:39 PM

Scott, like everyone else said, thanks for the review.

I like curvaceous, small, light, rear wheel drive cars with manual transmissions, lots of power and a sweet exhaust note. The GTR only fits that description in terms of power only. Once we get some better power upgrades, the Z will be the place to be!

ChrisSlicks · 05-31-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Can someone explain the desire for hill assist in the MT 370Z? If you can hold the car with the e-brake, I don't understand the need for the feature or even how it could be implemented in a MT.

People are lazy?

Subaru pioneered the technology in MT form many years ago. Basically it holds the brakes for you until you start engaging the clutch.

Personally I don't see the need. I never roll backwards and I don't use the e-brake most of the time, I simply roll my foot on the brake and gas.

NotmyGTR · 05-31-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Can someone explain the desire for hill assist in the MT 370Z? If you can hold the car with the e-brake, I don't understand the need for the feature or even how it could be implemented in a MT.

Yeah, that sums its up. Not trying to be mean or anything, but if there is a lack of skillz than get an automatic.

KillerBee370 · 05-31-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

If I could afford one or the other or both then I would be looking at something entirely different. That gives you about 120K to spend on a car. You are getting close to exotic territory there.

Yes BUT, you would have the advantage of 2 great cars to keep mileage down on each, have different setups for track or street, save money on parts over crazy exotic prices, etc.

Myself, I would probably still take just one.... the new GT3. haha..

FricFrac · 05-31-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

If I could afford one or the other or both then I would be looking at something entirely different. That gives you about 120K to spend on a car. You are getting close to exotic territory there.

If I had endless money that's the exact set up I'd have GT-R and a 370Z. Oh and a nice 240Z and a 510 too... I just haven't told my wife the GT-R is the next car on the list... lets just hope Nissan's put 'er on a diet by the time I can afford one

Scotts-GTR · 05-31-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chubbs

Thanks for the review mate - I'm currently thinking about these two options. The first GTR's have just arrived here in the UK and the 370z's are due in July, so this thread is perfect timing for me.

Now you've reminded me of the GTR's hard ride and higher maintenance costs I'm leaning back towards the 370z again, but I saw & heard a black GTR go past my house the other day and I damn nearly had an orgasm - it's a difficult one lol.

If you could only buy one, which would you choose?

GTR no question and without hesitation.

Scotts-GTR · 05-31-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

If I could afford one or the other or both then I would be looking at something entirely different. That gives you about 120K to spend on a car. You are getting close to exotic territory there.

Whatever floats your boat man.

Scotts-GTR · 05-31-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Can someone explain the desire for hill assist in the MT 370Z? If you can hold the car with the e-brake, I don't understand the need for the feature or even how it could be implemented in a MT.

Hill assist is a great tool when in traffic on a hill. I had a 335 that had it and was a fantastic gizmo. Ebrake works but this happens without thought. The GTR has it and works very well. No rollback.

fly yellow · 05-31-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotts-GTR

Whatever floats your boat man.

I wasn't really refering to your deal. You already have both. You must be doing well for yourself and that's cool. I was just calling some BS on those that say they could afford both, but can't decide on which one. We are talking a $40,000 car and an $80,000 car. If you like the styling on the GT-R and you can obviously easily afford it, then I don't think there is much of a choice. You definitely buy the GT-R. If the GT-R isn't your thing, but you have 120K to spend then take a look at something along the lines of a Porsche or a Corvette ZR-1. I love my Z, and it is definitely the best sports car that I can afford, but it is a relative "everyman's" car. I don't think there are too many people in the 6 figure car market that are strongly considering the Z.

antennahead · 05-31-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NotmyGTR

Yeah, that sums its up. Not trying to be mean or anything, but if there is a lack of skillz than get an automatic.

Amen ..... one of the first things I learned as a teenager was how to master a hill with a manual transmission........ without using the emergency brake!

John

KingDavid · 05-31-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

I wasn't really refering to your deal. You already have both. You must be doing well for yourself and that's cool. I was just calling some BS on those that say they could afford both, but can't decide on which one. We are talking a $40,000 car and an $80,000 car. If you like the styling on the GT-R and you can obviously easily afford it, then I don't think there is much of a choice. You definitely buy the GT-R. If the GT-R isn't your thing, but you have 120K to spend then take a look at something along the lines of a Porsche or a Corvette ZR-1. I love my Z, and it is definitely the best sports car that I can afford, but it is a relative "everyman's" car. I don't think there are too many people in the 6 figure car market that are strongly considering the Z.

Some people probably like 6spd manual Nissans. It's up to them. Just because YOU wouldn't, given the chance, doesn't mean that someone else in the 6-figure league wouldn't either. Whatever floats their boat.

AK370Z · 06-01-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Scotts-GTR

Hill assist is a great tool when in traffic on a hill. I had a 335 that had it and was a fantastic gizmo. Ebrake works but this happens without thought. The GTR has it and works very well. No rollback.

I love that feature. I can do the gas/brake on a hill but it's def a cool technology to have. I hope they adapt this for the Z.

Welcome to the forums. How much 09s are going for now? (if you don't mind disclosing, that's totally fine)

Phimosis · 06-01-2009, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fly yellow

I wasn't really refering to your deal. You already have both. You must be doing well for yourself and that's cool. I was just calling some BS on those that say they could afford both, but can't decide on which one. We are talking a $40,000 car and an $80,000 car. If you like the styling on the GT-R and you can obviously easily afford it, then I don't think there is much of a choice. You definitely buy the GT-R. If the GT-R isn't your thing, but you have 120K to spend then take a look at something along the lines of a Porsche or a Corvette ZR-1. I love my Z, and it is definitely the best sports car that I can afford, but it is a relative "everyman's" car. I don't think there are too many people in the 6 figure car market that are strongly considering the Z.

Hi. I don't mean to be confrontational. I would just like add some insight, because I've probably lived through situations and seen things that you haven't. I totally disagree with your statement.

I'm a medical doctor, nearly 40 years old and well into the "fat" part of my career. I'm single and no kids or alimony to pay for. I can afford going into exotic territory, but I choose not to. A lot of people in southern California live to the very maximum of what they can afford so they can be flashy, be players, meet hot girls, etc. My friends drive Porsches and AMG Mercedes and tease me, saying "I bought a car that is a socioeconomic class below me." The same guys teased me about my last car, which was a Corvette, calling it my "redneck car".

The universal truth here is that cars are not an investment, they are a depreciating asset. On the used car market, you see (multiple) 2005 Lambo Gallardo's or 2006 911 turbo's for $90,000. The seller of the lambo is losing $90,000 in depreciation in 4 years. The Porsche sellers are losing $50,000 in 3 years, plus you're losing $1,000 a month to the bank on the interest for a loan that big. Then, Lambo owners are replacing the SMG clutch at like 15k miles at a cost of $7000. The total cost of 4 years of Lambo ownership (on a new car) is going to run you $120k-140k.

It will take a LOT of desire to get me to spend that much on a car. But desire is a weird thing. Like the girl that was so hot that you'd spend your entire pay check on her, just to keep her happy? If they didn't scrap the program, I would have spent $180,000 on a Lexus LF-A. I want one that badly. The C6 Corvette (ZR1) and 997 Porsche (turbo or gt3) are coming to the end of their life cycle and make them less desireable. The Maserati GT is not fast enough. The GTR is ugly and too heavy.

By buying a 370z, I get a car that is beautiful, light, great handling, has stylish interior and makes good economic sense. Even with mods on this car, I'll probably only lose $20,000 on it. And, if something new and hot comes to market that I just "have to have," like a Porsche 998 or C7 Corvette, I'm still in a financial position to do it, plus I end up having a lot more money in my bank account, which makes you feel "safer," especially when the economy is in the tank.

So don't neccesarily write everyone off as a fake or a braggart just because they say they can afford to buy an $80,000 car but choose not to. It's how their priorities are set up. Based on your comment, if you had the means, you would get an $80,000 car because that is your priority, but not everyone thinks that way.

-Phim

GTRFAN · 06-01-2009, 07:02 AM

Interesting. I pretty much agree with whats said, however, as others have said the R35 GTR is not really even comparable to the Z as it's miles in front in all areas....especially price.

I think the 370z is the first car to come along in a long time that is actually fun to drive.

If you want huge HP and 10 sec quarters, then get an older GTR and modify it. 10sec quarters are not very hard at all. The RB26DETT is one of the best base motors to tune...ever.

My mate Dave's old GTR - 608kW at the wheels
YouTube - Fangartists - Leewah's R33 GTR

BUT

If you want a new, fun, daily driver get a Z.

05-31-2009, 08:39 PM	#17 (permalink)
Phimosis Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Oildale, CA Posts: 412 Drives: 2013 911 4S Rep Power: 417	Scott, like everyone else said, thanks for the review. I like curvaceous, small, light, rear wheel drive cars with manual transmissions, lots of power and a sweet exhaust note. The GTR only fits that description in terms of power only. Once we get some better power upgrades, the Z will be the place to be! Last edited by Phimosis; 06-01-2009 at 01:51 AM.

06-01-2009, 07:02 AM	#30 (permalink)
GTRFAN Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 586 Drives: 370z Titanium 6MT Rep Power: 18	Interesting. I pretty much agree with whats said, however, as others have said the R35 GTR is not really even comparable to the Z as it's miles in front in all areas....especially price. I think the 370z is the first car to come along in a long time that is actually fun to drive. If you want huge HP and 10 sec quarters, then get an older GTR and modify it. 10sec quarters are not very hard at all. The RB26DETT is one of the best base motors to tune...ever. My mate Dave's old GTR - 608kW at the wheels YouTube - Fangartists - Leewah's R33 GTR BUT If you want a new, fun, daily driver get a Z. Last edited by GTRFAN; 06-01-2009 at 07:09 AM.

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spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1857	Can someone explain the desire for hill assist in the MT 370Z? If you can hold the car with the e-brake, I don't understand the need for the feature or even how it could be implemented in a MT.