370z vs BRZ.......
 

So come 3 months from now, I had my heart on picking up a 2009/2010 370z. These used Z's are going for mid 20s on a good day. I've been keeping up with the BRZ which is also coming out this Spring with a similar 25Kish price tag. Lots of hype on the BRZ but I still think the Z is a much nicer looking ride...THoughts?

http://www.calisocials.com/images/brz_vs_370z.jpg

as it sits now, the BRZ doesn't look like it will be anywhere near on the level of the 370z.

^ that. Not on the same level. Aimed at the Miata.

And 40 years of heritage backing the Z will get my vote all day.
And you're on a Z forum, you're going to get biased answers ;)

the interior of the z looks better.

I read the article on a few different car mags about the BRZ, rwd and no turbo, so no Subaru symmetrical all wheel drive or turbos, and only 200 HP, not very light, and the odd motor mount/aligment leaves no room for aftermarket turbos... Z all day.

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At first it looked like it could have the potential to be pretty sweet car, but as it became more and more a reality it became more and more of a let down. The one thing it's got going for it is that it's rwd, which at least gives it the potential to be a fun car will a little aftermarket support.

I did find this article the other day which at least leaves the possibility for a turbocharged version in the future.

Subaru Confirms Turbocharged Version of BRZ Engine - WOT on Motor Trend

with a few body parts and suspension and boost upgrades you have something.

Definitely get the BRZ and make YouTube vids drag racing a leaf and loose.

Only thing the BRZ has on the Z is better looking exhaust tips...annnnd that's about it.

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The BRZ looks ugly when you put the two cars side by side.

I'm sure it'll have more of a light-weight sports car feel, but won't you miss the extra 100-150 extra horsepower you'd get from the Z??

I've seen better....:stirthepot:

That does look pretty sweet, but it'll definitely need FI to keep it from being all show and no go. 200 hp and 150 ft-lb is not going to get this car going in any type of a hurry

Well they don't compare in performance, the Z is way ahead.

If u are just looking for a sporty car and looking more at cost, get the BRZ.

If u actually care about the Z heritage, want 332 hp, more exclusivity, you would pick the Z without question.

BRZ: With 200 horses, it delivers you from A to B with some fun.

370Z: With 330 horses, you drive from A to B with TONS OF FUN!!!

Let alone you don't know you are driving a Toyota or Subaru, or Suyota, or Tobaru, Tomato maybe?

It's good to have options for people. For me, I like the Z's heritage and how the 370 is a throw back to the 240.

I'll take the Z all day long.
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370z. that other thing is fugly

used 07-08 Z/used 370z

wins by far

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This is not a valid comparison, they are two different price points and target markets.

Also, repost:

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...6-concept.html

Honestly...the BRZ probably makes a better track car.

I'm not talking about performance, but the ability to hold an extra set of wheels. haha

the BRZ/FRS is a great car for the community, its a platform built for enthusiasts to enjoy on track with minimal fuss. it will be a great car to learn in with it low torque output and light weight, yet will still be engaging with its revvy nature and balanced handling dynamic. but the fact of the matter is, its not the same class of car as a 370, apples and oranges.

the 370 chassis and suspension geometry is much further ahead, the 370 resembles a GTR platform more than anything with its double wish bone front suspension made with aluminum components, and its very good rear suspension geometry that has great corner exit grip and camber gain. Also the 370 can fit the rubber under stock body that can allow it to be a true mechanical grip monster on top of the great suspension design.

the BRZ/FRS chassis is basically a rwd impreza/wrx, with stamped steel suspension components and arms, strut front suspension, and a rear multilink that has a significant amount of anti squat, which with close to stock NA power isnt going to be a big deal, but when people start to add power with turbocharging(which you know will happen) the car is going to struggle with corner exit traction because of its design. to further add to this issue, the car does not fit wide rubber without body modification.

I've seen a couple different designs with the BRZ and I don't mind it. It's somewhat light-weight, and with different tail lights and some lowering springs it'll look decent, but it really needs a turbo charged engine with about 270HP to keep with the 370Z given it's weight.

As a consumer you'll have to weigh each pro and con and figure what really suits you best. If you'll looking for something with a $25k price point then the BRZ will have a full warranty, until you mod it, and the Z will be out of a warranty for the most part. Besides, I always like to be the first person to fart in my car so I would lean towards the BRZ.

You know the aftermarket will be huge with those cars and I'm guessing it'll be larger than the Z aftermarket. Some companies like Cobb even gave up on us. The BRZ is priced for the younger generation and I bet parts will be cheaper too.

I am very happy with my 370Z and I would never trade it for a BRZ but so many people are trashing the car already. Competition is healthy, come on people. Hopefully these Scion TC's will stop being produced because they're taking over. I see 3 on every corner.

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The FR-S/BRZ isn't really even in the same class as the 370Z. Totally different animals.

I'd like to see a BRZ with an FR-S front end swap :stirthepot:

I actually find the FR-S to be a more attractive car than the BRZ, but would rather have the Subie over a Scion. Problem solved.

I think the BRZ has merit for what it is, but I'm a little put off by their use of the STi monicker on something so weakly powered. I wonder if I'm going to have BRZ drivers challenging me in my real STi as a continual nuisance.

Oh geez, cannot wait for the day these cars hit the street and every boy racer buys them up and goes out thinking they are hot sh1t.

i think the main selling point and reason for BRZ/FRS is suppose to be price and power/weight ratio. bascially taking nothing and trying to make something out of it.

when you add all sorts of aftermarket parts to make these cars 'capable' as in enough power to compete with the current standard 300hp+ sports car crowd, the prices go up into Z terriory. why not then just buy the real deal in that case instead of tinkering around with some wannabie toy?

that is how i see this car. if 200hp and lightweight/fun to drive/cheap, then it needs to sell under $25K.

Exactly. And by plastering the STi logo on the BRZ, Subaru is just feeding into that. I also think Subie is diluting the STi brand, if that makes any sense. That's admittedly a subjective thing though, mind you.

Dsport test drove the FR-S and nearly crashed it. In a side article they said subaru already has a 270hp engine ready to go but they haven't said ye or ne on that powerplant. Dsport speculated if in fact they do bring it out? It will be in two years or so???

Even with the 270hp, it's still not quite enough to fall into the 300+ 'standard' nowadays, unless, the chassis is extremely well tuned.

I am wondering, if Toyota/Subaru want to make a sports couple, why couldn't they do it 'properly', I mean at least with more horses that can compete with the V6 coupes out there, since there is not too many choices in that category.

Stopped reading at "dsport"

Don't really care but thanks.

Subaru has already confirmed there is a Turbo FA20 motor and it is NOT going in the 86 right now:
Next-Gen Subaru WRX to Get Turbo 2.0-Liter Targeting 270 hp - WOT on Motor Trend

Well again, kinda comparing apples to oranges. The Z is approx a 3300lb vehicle. At its barest, 3232Lbs.
The subaru BRZ is at 2700 approx lbs. Which probably puts the Z and turbo brz in the same hp to weight ratio. Not to mention FI is a much more valid modifier.

I mean I'm not even going to pass any judgement till the turbo is on a track and competing. The BRZ seems like a pretty good pkg for what it is.

It happens with every model sports car. What can you really do?