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The funniest part to me is when the OP says. A Z outhandle a mustang? Really? Its like he can't elaborate because he's never driven a Z. And if he has? Not hard or extensively enough to really make a comparison. NOW. Though the mustang is greatly improved. The mustang G's are .95g which is great for a car of that size. But that G, is a track recorded grip level. On the street, that same exact brembo'ed and suspensioned Z drops to .87g which again, .87g on the street is great. But the lowest out sport models get on the street is middle 90's. Our cars still corner way better. Our steering feel is way better. Turn in feels way more precise and and flatter. As good as the stang is its just not up to snuff in handling. But it does kick *** compared to its muscle bredrin.

Ummm... the Brembo car is not .87G... it's up there at .95 on the same skid pads they test the 370. Not sure where you're getting that from.

If we really want to get into this, the 370 does not "really corner better" than the Brembo 5.0... if it did then they wouldn't match times in the corners (excluding straights) and the 5.0 would not be right on the e92 M3's heels around a full course.

I've already shared my thoughts here comparing how both cars handle, so most of you know what's up.

18 years old, V6 Mustang, nuff' said.

Mustangs are way too common for my taste; I'm sure they have their selling points, but I have never driven one, so I wouldn't know. What I do know is that I see maybe 1 other Z per week, if I'm lucky, and probably about 30 or so Mustangs.

FWIW, the OLD Mustangs (05-09) on all-seasons were .87g.

Why do we always have to fight against a Mustang :facepalm:

More thoughts (and I'm rehashing this from previous discussion because I feel it's necessary to counter your misinformation)...

Steering: Yes, the Z has better steering feel. The Brembo cars, in Sport mode, still feel pretty good, though.

Turn-in: I've said this before and I'll say it again. Turn-in is sharper on the 5.0. The 5.0 also corners flatter. There's a reason some of the track guys actually run a smaller rear sway bar on the 5.0s. The only difference between the two is that the Mustang's roll rate is faster than the 370s, so the 370 has better mass control in transition. This is a damper issue. The Tokicos on the 5.0 (the rear at least) feel like they are tuned for the 370Z... the only problem is the 5.0 carries more weight so they can't keep up as well at higher speed cornering. Under 60mph or so they are fine.

Precision: The Z has a lot of built in oversteer (thank you stagger!). Push it hard and you know what this feels like. The 5.0 has the better balance. It rotates the center of the corner a lot easier than the 370 does. If anything it's got more of a hint of oversteer at the limit. The Z is precise, though. It's more "point and shoot" than the 5.0. Just make sure you don't carry too much speed to the apex or you're going to push like hell. The 5.0 requires more work to drive fast... you have to be comfortable driving a "free" car.

The result: Two totally different feeling cars that accomplish pretty much the same damn thing on track (Excluding the straights).

Cuz we gave those horses a lick and they taste just like raisins. :yum:

I don't know. All I know is it's never a good idea to pull performance numbers out of your a$$. :)

Where this thread is heading:

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1325623734

there needs to be a branch in there somewhere for a 300ZX and a WRX.

Don't forget the WS6.

I picked the 3 best cars. No way a 300zx or WRX could be better than a Miata :P

I've attacked this thread with knowledge and experience. Now I am going to drive home. If it is still here when I get there, we'll see what kind of fun we can have. ;)

oh no you didn't.

:owned:

Mud flaps son. Mud flaps.

lolz

because rally car.

lolwat?




And, in come the fanboys who are just as misguided as the OP

Fixed

fixed!:tup::p

Trollolololololol

Let me get this straight - the problem with the 370Z is it's interior? :facepalm: :wtf:

IMO, the Z's interior is way better than the Mustang's...

:gtfo2:

FIXED.

http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/a...eofCarLife.jpg

I did say its .95 mustang on the track. Street driving and track measurements are different. The Z doesn't lose grip where the stang does "ON THE STREET". All you're doing is saying what I said and rewording it then arguing the wrong point. Anyway, the 87 is off track. The numbers come from a MT comparo when they did both maneuvers on street and track. Comparing pre 2010 mustang to the 2011. The pre 2010 broke .79 on the street and 87 on the skid. The 2011 broke .95 on the skid. .87g on the road. I haven't driven the brembo stang, but the 5.0 gt premium that is the same price as my current car. I felt Z handled better but the stang was good. How does the Brembo Z compare to a NISMO. The NISMO breaks up to 1.02g on the pad.Anyway,
"I'm sure if we FI'd the Z to 420hp/360lb torque, we'd be on the heels of an M3 as well. "
The camaro is faster than us around a track too... doesn't make the camaro a better handler. My guess is what you call better is the torque taking you out of the turn better than the Z and the chassis being balnced enough to absorb it. The ONLY way to really know? Is to FI the Z to the same power level as the stang and see how the Z responds coming out. Anyway, how many mustangs did you own before you bought a Z and went back to stang????


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I submit that we bring on the Master Lock Challenge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.the370z.com/members/kelly...efore-lock.jpg

Please post a link to this comparison you Keep referencing.

Pfff my FWD Civic can take all of those.... vtAk y0! ;)

I can sprint faster than any of those cars drives, psshhh

btw, wnba...hilarious, haha

Go find it yourself you link happy freak....:rofl2:

QUESTION???

Does the Mustang Forum Suck that Bad that even After they buy a Stang they Stay here to Throw Mustang TidBits down to Z owners????? Or is it really some type of David Quoresh subliminal, force-feeding of mustang bullsh1t to boost sales and try to beat Camaro popularity???
Or is it you guys wish you guys kept your Z's but greatly wish you did a 5.0 engine swap and you're trying to beat 5.0 in our brains so someone will do it?
Or are you guys trying to master SUBLIMINAL-TROLLING????

I call all of the above.:eek:

Hahahahaaaa.... the veloster will break you though... it has pandora baby!

Since these numbers are so fresh in your mind, it's obvious you must have a link to this test you are talking about, or at least have a copy of an MT magazine with this test in your possession. So share your source with us, why don't you?

I've searched everywhere and guess what? I can't find any "test" that does anything (for any car) to compare the street vs. track grip. And if it's recent enough to include the 2011 Mustang it would be available online.

With regard to power... if you FI the Z to the same power-to-weight ratio I am sure the track times would be similar.

How many Mustangs did I own? How is that relevant? How many Zs (including your totalled 370Z) have you owned before your current one? You're trying to insinuate that I am a Mustang fanboy, but it's very well documented on these forums that I am far from it. I'm a car guy that just happens to like Z cars and Mustangs. Sue me. You on the other hand have stated time and time again (the quoted post is no exception) that you are a fanboy. So, what exactly is your point?

It's pretty obvious what's going on here.

I think the guys who switched to 5.0s stick around because this is generally a great community with respectful enthusiasts. They usually stay objective with their comments and are not Z haters. Of the forums I've browsed, this one is the most mature and respectful, usually. Def way more so than bimmer forums...

Maybe it's because we're still Z fans, and we have lots of Z friends here, and people like you continue to pull numbers out of their asses and it keeps us around. Imagine that. :rolleyes:

That's pretty much it... well, except for the fanboys, but we all know who they are.

I've been on this forum since early '09. I was one of the first people to get a 370. I was probably the first person with a solid red 370Z in Virginia.

I love the cars, I love working on them, and I have a bunch of friends that I've met both online and in person because of this community. I like it so much I still run our 370Z owner's club which is 50+ members strong. And I pay $300 bucks a year to keep our Meetup page up... all because I hate the Z, right? :icon17:

You guys know that the only time I ever ramp up the Mustang talk is when someone is so woefully misinformed that I just can't let it slide.

So, what you are saying is you completely made the numbers up?



I'm here for a couple reasons:

1) the humor
2) easy place to interact with some knowledgeable car guys (many of whom owned a Z at a point in the past)
3) the lolz

It's obvious he made the numbers up. And his strategy now is to wait until this thread gets locked (it should have been locked when it was started, but that's an entirely different story) so he can avoid the embarrassment of being proven ignorant and wrong.

I for one think the Z interior is very nice..maybe my expectations are not high enough or something. I dont expect a porsche interior because it doesn't cost like a porsche