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m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465953)
What is the "average" though? Average sports car, or average of everything with 4 wheels on the road? The numbers seem to indicate the Z is much worse than average. Same with almost every other sports car there. Most are in the red or dark red. For some bizzare reason coupes seem to do worse than convertibles of the same car. And FWIW based on those stats, the miata is the safest sports car to buy :icon14:

"Loss results are stated in relative terms (100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category). Colors indicate results in relation to the average for all vehicles:"

The average is 100.

The average is determined by all of the cars in each class. If you look at the right side of the website, it shows you different classes.

In this case, 100 is the average for "Sports Models." So this would imply that the 370Z is 88% above average in terms of collision, but 12% below average in property damage.

It's simple, really.

Also, you keep dancing around the other point I keep making...

Pharmacist 12-28-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1465957)
convertibles tend to have lower loss rates because of the type of owner that is attracted to them

women? :stirthepot:

Pharmacist 12-28-2011 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1465959)
"Loss results are stated in relative terms (100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category). Colors indicate results in relation to the average for all vehicles:"

The average is 100.

The average is determined by all of the cars in each class. If you look at the right side of the website, it shows you different classes.

In this case, 100 is the average for "Sports Models." So this would imply that the 370Z is 88% above average in terms of collision, but 12% below average in property damage.

It's simple, really.

that can't be right. unless it's the average for ALL sports models, not just the midsize. For collision average for midsize sports cars, it comes out to 145. Yet mustang with 137 and rx 8 with 134 are classified as much worse than average? :icon14:

And the categories don't make any sense either. Mitsu eclipse in the same class as corvette zr1? And funny how the m3 is in the "luxury" section and not in the sports section. And audi r8 is considered "large" but the GT-R is "midsize" :rolleyes:

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Also, you keep dancing around the other point I keep making...
which point?

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465970)
that can't be right. unless it's the average for ALL sports models, not just the midsize. For collision average for midsize sports cars, it comes out to 145. Yet mustang with 137 and rx 8 with 134 are classified as much worse than average? :icon14:

And the categories don't make any sense either. Mitsu eclipse in the same class as corvette zr1? And funny how the m3 is in the "luxury" section and not in the sports section. And audi r8 is considered "large" but the GT-R is "midsize" :rolleyes:


which point?

Did I not just say it's an average for all sports models? :rolleyes:

Regarding classification... all we have to go by is how the IIHS classifies the vehicles... it's complete enough to get an idea of relative accident rates.

And it's the point you keep avoiding.

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1465957)
it's relative to other sports cars.

convertibles tend to have lower loss rates because of the type of owner that is attracted to them

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465970)
that can't be right. unless it's the average for ALL sports models, not just the midsize. For collision average for midsize sports cars, it comes out to 145. Yet mustang with 137 and rx 8 with 134 are classified as much worse than average? :icon14:

And the categories don't make any sense either. Mitsu eclipse in the same class as corvette zr1? And funny how the m3 is in the "luxury" section and not in the sports section. And audi r8 is considered "large" but the GT-R is "midsize" :rolleyes:


which point?

those stats are pretty much all we have to work with. Insurance companies sure as hell won't be publishing their numbers.

Pharmacist 12-28-2011 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1465980)
those stats are pretty much all we have to work with. Insurance companies sure as hell won't be publishing their numbers.

would the dept. of transportation have such info?

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465987)
would the dept. of transportation have such info?

The DOT can't get out of its own way... not sure if I'd want data from them. :icon17:

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1465987)
would the dept. of transportation have such info?

nhtsa might

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 12:57 PM

Anyways, this is the point: http://www.the370z.com/nissan-370z-g...ml#post1465907

Zedx 12-28-2011 12:57 PM

I dont get it. I never drive with VDC on except in rain or heavy mist. the 370Z drives way better at the limit then my mustang every did. It handles very well. Large amounts of grip. feels safer then a vette. So i say. Go take advanced driving and racing classes

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedx (Post 1466008)
I dont get it. I never drive with VDC on except in rain or heavy mist. the 370Z drives way better at the limit then my mustang every did. It handles very well. Large amounts of grip. feels safer then a vette. So i say. Go take advanced driving and racing classes

Some people can drive, some people can't.

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1466003)
nhtsa might

but I think the last nhtsa/dot study only covered the 350z. IIRC, it led all vehicles in driver death rates:ugh2:

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1466016)
but I think the last nhtsa/dot study only covered the 350z. IIRC, it led all vehicles in driver death rates:ugh2:

At Your Own Risk: These Vehicles Have The Highest Death Rates

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Filtering out multiple versions or body styles of like models, here are the vehicles with the highest rates of driver death:

Nissan 350Z – 143 (deaths per million registered vehicle miles)
Nissan Titan (crew cab) – 126
Chevrolet Aveo – 119
Chevrolet Cobalt (4-door) – 117
Kia Spectra – 102
Chevrolet Malibu Classic – 99
Hyundai Tiburon – 96
Nissan Versa – 96
Chevrolet Colorado (extended cab) – 93
Kia Rio – 89

zero 12-28-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466019)

Stop talking and texting on your cell phone while driving....

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by zero (Post 1466023)
Stop talking and texting on your cell phone while driving....

Are 350Z drivers more prone to texting and driving than other vehicle owners? :confused:

Pharmacist 12-28-2011 01:06 PM

maybe since they depreciated so much, it's all those high school kids watching fast and furious movies who buy them and crash them.

zero 12-28-2011 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466024)
Are 350Z drivers more prone to texting and driving than other vehicle owners? :confused:

I bet it's combination of those and lack of RWD or driving skills.

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466019)

Hmmm, it says those numbers are per million registered miles. The Z being a car that's not driven as much on top of everything else might be the reason it's so high up on the list.

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1466043)
Hmmm, it says those numbers are per million registered miles. The Z being a car that's not driven as much on top of everything else might be the reason it's so high up on the list.

Lots of people drive their Zs every day.

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466024)
Are 350Z drivers more prone to texting and driving than other vehicle owners? :confused:

yes
[citation needed]

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1466027)
maybe since they depreciated so much, it's all those high school kids watching fast and furious movies who buy them and crash them.

that explains why it was a three-way tie for first, with the s2000 and the Mitsubishi eclipse

my2004Z 12-28-2011 01:33 PM

I can't believe that nobody has even mentioned visibility in the 370Z as the culprit. People may not realize they are in a dangerous situation until it's too late and then they overreact and cause the car to go out of control. Perhaps the huge side mirrors and horrible rear 3/4 view is to blame for some of the accidents? The car is also fairly short and so it might be easy to miss in the blind spots of other cars.

I don't want to get sucked into the physics debate but the last time I went (purposefully) sliding on ice in an AWD Audi TT it didn't matter where the weight was or what nanny systems were on, it did not do what I wanted it to do because of the TIRES NOT GRIPPING ON THE ICE! Surface tension reigns supreme in a grip debate and there are just too many variables when driving on the street (pot holes, elevation changes, inconsistent surfaces, chemicals, debris, etc).

For the record I have driven 800+ different cars in all my years playing every iteration of Gran Turismo so I am declaring myself an authority on the matter of AWD cars spinning out during panic stops (reference Tokyo Route 246).
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by my2004Z (Post 1466057)
I can't believe that nobody has even mentioned visibility in the 370Z as the culprit. People may not realize they are in a dangerous situation until it's too late and then they overreact and cause the car to go out of control. Perhaps the huge side mirrors and horrible rear 3/4 view is to blame for some of the accidents? The car is also fairly short and so it might be easy to miss in the blind spots of other cars.

I don't want to get sucked into the physics debate but the last time I went (purposefully) sliding on ice in an AWD Audi TT it didn't matter where the weight was or what nanny systems were on, it did not do what I wanted it to do because of the TIRES NOT GRIPPING ON THE ICE! Surface tension reigns supreme in a grip debate and there are just too many variables when driving on the street (pot holes, elevation changes, inconsistent surfaces, chemicals, debris, etc).

For the record I have driven 800+ different cars in all my years playing every iteration of Gran Turismo so I am declaring myself an authority on the matter of AWD cars spinning out during panic stops (reference Tokyo Route 246).
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:bowrofl:

From what I remember of what's posted on the forum, most of the wrecks are single car accidents where someone just drove too aggressively for their skill level. So blind spots wouldn't really matter there.

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466044)
Lots of people drive their Zs every day.

Yeah but I would imagine not as much compared to like a civic or something. I'm assuming that on average a Z is driven for less miles than a more practical DD like a civic or prius.

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Originally Posted by my2004Z (Post 1466057)
I can't believe that nobody has even mentioned visibility in the 370Z as the culprit. People may not realize they are in a dangerous situation until it's too late and then they overreact and cause the car to go out of control. Perhaps the huge side mirrors and horrible rear 3/4 view is to blame for some of the accidents? The car is also fairly short and so it might be easy to miss in the blind spots of other cars.

I don't want to get sucked into the physics debate but the last time I went (purposefully) sliding on ice in an AWD Audi TT it didn't matter where the weight was or what nanny systems were on, it did not do what I wanted it to do because of the TIRES NOT GRIPPING ON THE ICE! Surface tension reigns supreme in a grip debate and there are just too many variables when driving on the street (pot holes, elevation changes, inconsistent surfaces, chemicals, debris, etc).

For the record I have driven 800+ different cars in all my years playing every iteration of Gran Turismo so I am declaring myself an authority on the matter of AWD cars spinning out during panic stops (reference Tokyo Route 246).
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Flawless logic right there :tup: :rofl2:

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1466060)
Yeah but I would imagine not as much compared to like a civic or something. I'm assuming that on average a Z is driven for less miles than a more practical DD like a civic or prius.

yeah, I can't even think of anyone who drives their Z year round.

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1466043)
Hmmm, it says those numbers are per million registered miles. The Z being a car that's not driven as much on top of everything else might be the reason it's so high up on the list.

arguably being a weekend driver helps lower your numbers. it is the main case made for vert numbers being low. "weekend drivers" are less prone to being in inclement weather accidents, as well as less likely to get hit by other drivers, since they aren't on the roads during heavy traffic times.

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1466061)
yeah, I can't even think of anyone who drives their Z year round.

Me neither. Who would be dumb enough to do that? I bet there's also no one dumb enough to drive/buy their Z in a snow storm :ugh2:

my2004Z 12-28-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466058)
:bowrofl:

From what I remember of what's posted on the forum, most of the wrecks are single car accidents where someone just drove too aggressively for their skill level. So blind spots wouldn't really matter there.

I must have missed that part while I was laughing at this thread. My comments are meant to apply to the more generic title of "Lot's of wrecked Z's" and what i consider my only gripe (mild at that) with the 370Z. ;)

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by my2004Z (Post 1466066)
I must have missed that part while I was laughing at this thread. My comments are meant to apply to the more generic title of "Lot's of wrecked Z's" and what i consider my only gripe (mild at that) with the 370Z. ;)

Does it wiggle when you brake?

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1466062)
arguably being a weekend driver helps lower your numbers. it is the main case made for vert numbers being low. "weekend drivers" are less prone to being in inclement weather accidents, as well as less likely to get hit by other drivers, since they aren't on the roads during heavy traffic times.

Yeah, but when you add in how people drive them on the weekends, the numbers skyrocket :icon17:

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466006)

Bump.

We continue the dance...

b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466070)
Bump.

We continue the dance...

:happydance:

Red__Zed 12-28-2011 01:57 PM

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b1adesofcha0s 12-28-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1466099)

:icon18:

m4a1mustang 12-28-2011 02:01 PM

:rolleyes:

I really would like an explanation, but he keeps avoiding it at all costs.

Alchemy 12-28-2011 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1466065)
Me neither. Who would be dumb enough to do that? I bet there's also no one dumb enough to drive/buy their Z in a snow storm :ugh2:

The day I went in to test drive a 370 it happened to be snowing. With accumulation to boot. First time behind the wheel and I displayed to the salesman how to properly slide the car sideways, in control, out into the highway. Shortly after that we hit a parking lot where I slid it around a bit more, lol

nuTinmuch 12-28-2011 02:40 PM

When I hit the gas in my Z, it spins violently, impacting the rotational speed of the Earth. This hurts all vehicles except those with a SRA. Coincidentally, I'm always out driving whenever MotorTrend is doing a numbers test.

Wait, what were we talking about again?

Jeffblue 12-28-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1466103)
:rolleyes:

I really would like an explanation, but he keeps avoiding it at all costs.

Steve: 1
Pharmacist: 0

BlackZeda 12-28-2011 03:25 PM

For some odd reason the rear tires wear out much quicker than the fronts for me at least. Since Zs have wider tires and are somewhat lighter than most cars, could it be that hydroplaning could be an issue in at least a few cases contributing to a higher total amount of wrecks?

It would make sense that since the Z is a more capable car all around (high performance) that it would be safer to drive than a regular car IF driven in the same manner.

Then there is the fact tha most drivers suck!

gbrettin 12-28-2011 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy (Post 1466106)
The day I went in to test drive a 370 it happened to be snowing. With accumulation to boot. First time behind the wheel and I displayed to the salesman how to properly slide the car sideways, in control, out into the highway. Shortly after that we hit a parking lot where I slid it around a bit more, lol

I think he was laying on the sarcasim.

Alchemy 12-28-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gbrettin (Post 1466286)
I think he was laying on the sarcasim.

:facepalm:Im well aware of that, its why I told the story. Im laughing with him.


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