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UNKNOWN_370 12-03-2011 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1432974)
Yep, on street tires the only way to keep up with the high HP AWD cars from a dig is to be in your very own high HP AWD car!

The ZR1 is bloody fast in a straight line, but it needs more than 1/4 mile to be able to beat a GT-R. It traps quite a bit higher than Godzilla but it doesn't have enough track to pass it.

I seen this race happen in person. The ZR-1 does nothing in the quarter mile. It will take a one mile stretch for the ZR1 to make the GTR look weak. At around the half mile mark the vette superchargers kick in and just take off on the GTR making the GTR look underpowered and worthless. But who races more than a quarter mile on the drag strip????
And on a track? I think the GT-R will take a ZR-1 as well.

UNKNOWN_370 12-03-2011 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1434010)
<-----rushes out to buy GTR oil dipstick...

The GT-R dipstick is good for an extra 20hp. Lol:icon18: :nutswinger:

Da.Menace 12-03-2011 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 1433162)
The GTR does kick arse.

Nuff said.

HKYStormFront 12-03-2011 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1434138)
I seen this race happen in person. The ZR-1 does nothing in the quarter mile. It will take a one mile stretch for the ZR1 to make the GTR look weak. At around the half mile mark the vette superchargers kick in and just take off on the GTR making the GTR look underpowered and worthless. But who races more than a quarter mile on the drag strip????
And on a track? I think the GT-R will take a ZR-1 as well.

that is not how a supercharger works. that's the point that the power-to-traction ratio starts to favor the ZR1 where it isn't spinning but is able to put down the extra hundred horses in a much lighter car and pull ahead. up until that point it's fighting with traction control (or launch control really). as the R35 GTR creeps up in hp every year, i'd be curious to see how it stacks up it's last year of production. if it's pushing closer to 600hp it might actually stand a chance of beating the ZR1, if not it'd be damn close i'm sure

m4a1mustang 12-03-2011 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1434138)
I seen this race happen in person. The ZR-1 does nothing in the quarter mile. It will take a one mile stretch for the ZR1 to make the GTR look weak. At around the half mile mark the vette superchargers kick in and just take off on the GTR making the GTR look underpowered and worthless. But who races more than a quarter mile on the drag strip????
And on a track? I think the GT-R will take a ZR-1 as well.

I'm not really sure it will take a full mile. The two cars are usually within a car length or two at the end of the 1/4 mile, with the ZR-1 trapping a few MPH faster than the GT-R. So it would start to pull it beyond that point. I'd say you only need a half mile stretch.

And whether anyone races like that or not is beside the point. It's just a hypothetical comparison.

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1434170)
that is not how a supercharger works. that's the point that the power-to-traction ratio starts to favor the ZR1 where it isn't spinning but is able to put down the extra hundred horses in a much lighter car and pull ahead. up until that point it's fighting with traction control (or launch control really). as the R35 GTR creeps up in hp every year, i'd be curious to see how it stacks up it's last year of production. if it's pushing closer to 600hp it might actually stand a chance of beating the ZR1, if not it'd be damn close i'm sure

They are close, for sure. The GT-R is an amazing car on the track. With its suspension and electronic controls it just defies physics.

Z eliminator 12-03-2011 10:45 AM

Boy just when I thought the 370z GTR thing was over.

" we will just ahave to wait and see what happens at the drag strip next year "
What is Sam making for my car ?

Z

FL 4Motion 12-04-2011 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1434142)
The GT-R dipstick is good for an extra 20hp. Lol:icon18: :nutswinger:

at least 20hp, I'm gonna get a '13 GTR dipstick tho, so more like 30hp. :p

MC 12-04-2011 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 1434309)
Boy just when I thought the 370z GTR thing was over.

" we will just ahave to wait and see what happens at the drag strip next year "
What is Sam making for my car ?

Z



the GTR is getting pretty nasty off the line in this cooler weather.... my local 1/4 is closed for the season but i just ran my personal best 1/8th today

6.9@102 1.60 60 ft

thats a low 10.9 run maybe even a 10.89 probably at 126ish


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/503...3144758403.jpg

HKYStormFront 12-04-2011 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MC (Post 1435069)
the GTR is getting pretty nasty off the line in this cooler weather.... my local 1/4 is closed for the season but i just ran my personal best 1/8th today

6.9@102 1.60 60 ft

thats a low 10.9 run maybe even a 10.89 probably at 126ish


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/503...3144758403.jpg

:tup::tup::tup: i knew that car had 10's in it :driving:

m4a1mustang 12-04-2011 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MC (Post 1435069)
the GTR is getting pretty nasty off the line in this cooler weather.... my local 1/4 is closed for the season but i just ran my personal best 1/8th today

6.9@102 1.60 60 ft

thats a low 10.9 run maybe even a 10.89 probably at 126ish


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/503...3144758403.jpg

That's awesome MC. Do you have the OEM tires on it or are you running something else?

Z eliminator 12-04-2011 08:50 AM

great times

b1adesofcha0s 12-04-2011 12:05 PM

Great run MC :tup:

happytheman 12-04-2011 12:16 PM

Whoa! Great run!

Who were you running against MC?

MC 12-04-2011 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1435144)
That's awesome MC. Do you have the OEM tires on it or are you running something else?

funny you bring that up... yup OEM runflats.... that are obliterated from autoX....these things only have 3K miles on them lol

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2...0314032978.jpg

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Originally Posted by happytheman (Post 1435269)
Whoa! *Great run!
Who were you running against MC?


some crazy drag cars.... this was my last chance to run at the strip this year and when i went i was the ONLY street car there

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/8...3140131550.jpg





http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5...3140146271.jpg


here were the runs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlj2ezqdGS0

this was me practicing my reaction time using LC.... i got down to a .093
this was a 7.0 run instead of a 6.9 as i let it touch redline during the 2-3 shift
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRuVzLu-t-s

b1adesofcha0s 12-04-2011 12:37 PM

More like OEM runflat slicks :icon17:

MC 12-04-2011 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1435296)
More like OEM runflat slicks :icon17:

with about 50 heat cycles on them haha...but yeah i knew the 2012 had this kind of time in it and i was determined to prove it

the 2013 is supposed to run a 10.8

Ghost 12-04-2011 04:32 PM

Why is it so hard for some Z owners to be content with what they have?
Z isn't a GT-R and it will never even come close. So let's not degrade GTR with comments like "It has no soul, bahahahaha", "it practically drives itself, tisk tisk tisk", "it gives blow jobs"...

If you have ever been in a GTR, especially at the track, driver or passenger, you'd realize it isn't just the transmission... it's the suspension, the chassis, the overall design, and electronics working in a near perfect harmony delivering the amazing performance as it does.

If it was that easy, just putting a fancy transmission in it to make it as fast or faster than the GTR, other manufacturers like Ferrari/Lambo would have done it ages ago.

I love my Z and would never compare it to GTR. They are just different cars on different levels...

HKYStormFront 12-04-2011 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost (Post 1435489)
Why is it so hard for some Z owners to be content with what they have?
Z isn't a GT-R and it will never even come close. So let's not degrade GTR with comments like "It has no soul, bahahahaha", "it practically drives itself, tisk tisk tisk", "it gives blow jobs"...

If you have ever been in a GTR, especially at the track, driver or passenger, you'd realize it isn't just the transmission... it's the suspension, the chassis, the overall design, and electronics working in a near perfect harmony delivering the amazing performance as it does.

If it was that easy, just putting a fancy transmission in it to make it as fast or faster than the GTR, other manufacturers like Ferrari/Lambo would have done it ages ago.

I love my Z and would never compare it to GTR. They are just different cars on different levels...

100% :iagree:

Nismo89 12-04-2011 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost (Post 1435489)
Why is it so hard for some Z owners to be content with what they have?
Z isn't a GT-R and it will never even come close. So let's not degrade GTR with comments like "It has no soul, bahahahaha", "it practically drives itself, tisk tisk tisk", "it gives blow jobs"...

If you have ever been in a GTR, especially at the track, driver or passenger, you'd realize it isn't just the transmission... it's the suspension, the chassis, the overall design, and electronics working in a near perfect harmony delivering the amazing performance as it does.

If it was that easy, just putting a fancy transmission in it to make it as fast or faster than the GTR, other manufacturers like Ferrari/Lambo would have done it ages ago.

I love my Z and would never compare it to GTR. They are just different cars on different levels...

i couldnt agree more. i absolutely love my Z. but its a completely dfiferent sports car class than the GT-R. The Z holds its on within its own class and i suppose a few outsiders. The GT-R is the same way, in its own Class. :tiphat::driving:

Jeffblue 12-04-2011 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 1430419)
Two completely different animals. The die hard Z guys (such as myself) will tell you that with enough time, effort and funds the Z can be made to be way faster and more fun to drive. The GT-R, hey look its extremely fast but if you want the car to do everything for you and you can be the car's accessory by all means. No soul, even if I had the $ right now I wouldn't get one.

:bowrofl:Textbook fanboyism at its best. You drive your 370z on the street and it doesn't take any more skill to drive a 370z on the street than it does a GTR even with its DCT and AWD. you make it sound like driving a 370z is like racing a v12 formula 1 car with a manual transmission and driving a GTR is like driving your moms subaru legacy. I guess all DCT AWD cars are boring. I wouldn't get a GT-R either, for the record... but you talk about soul? wheres the the soul putting the same engine that nissan uses in every v6 family sedan and crossver into their sports car? :shakes head:

The fact of the matter is the vr38dett was crafted for the GTR. It is a purpose built motor for nissans highest performance street car they have built to date. the VQ is the cookie cutter nissan v6 that they have used in practically every v6 version of every car since the infiniti i30 (VQ30). It's in the altima, maxima, murano, fx, G, M, etc. Hate to burst your bubble but the VQ37HR is inferior in every way to the VR38DETT.

Car enthusiast: Wow this car is awesome, i think it's hand's down a better performing car than yours
Fanboy: But i could totally build mine to make it better. And besides my car has more soul and is more fun to drive.


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Originally Posted by ZSIZZLE (Post 1432306)
why would you want to though?? A gtm Z makes 480-520 @ 10psi, a gtr needs 14psi to make about 460 and thats with the extra displacement. So there is nothing special about that setup that it would be worth the money. The tranny and the drivetrain is what rewrote all the record books though

A TT 370z makes more power with less boost because of the higher compression ratio. Turn the boost up to 14psi in the 370z and you'll blow up the motor. a high compression ratio is not optimal for a forced induction engine which is why FI 370z's run low boost.

FL 4Motion 12-04-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost (Post 1435489)
Why is it so hard for some Z owners to be content with what they have?
Z isn't a GT-R and it will never even come close. So let's not degrade GTR with comments like "It has no soul, bahahahaha", "it practically drives itself, tisk tisk tisk", "it gives blow jobs"...

If you have ever been in a GTR, especially at the track, driver or passenger, you'd realize it isn't just the transmission... it's the suspension, the chassis, the overall design, and electronics working in a near perfect harmony delivering the amazing performance as it does.

If it was that easy, just putting a fancy transmission in it to make it as fast or faster than the GTR, other manufacturers like Ferrari/Lambo would have done it ages ago.

I love my Z and would never compare it to GTR. They are just different cars on different levels...


/\ must be new for '12 or '13, cause if my old '09 and '10 had that option, I'd still be driving one of them :) (maybe I just didn't set up the R mode buttons in the correct configuration...sh!t)

HKYStormFront 12-04-2011 07:02 PM

that's because it voided the warranty (and your marriage license) to do that phil :shakes head:

waaaasabi 12-04-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 1435622)
you make it sound like driving a 370z is like racing a v12 formula 1 car with a manual transmission

, brake bias and fuel mixture adjustment switches, as well as a pit lane speed governor switch (though sadly, no KERS :().

FL 4Motion 12-04-2011 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1435659)
that's because it voided the warranty (and your marriage license) to do that phil :shakes head:

So, it's like launching a GTR with VDC off then huh? Still, woulda been nice to know it's there, even if I never used it. :)


:p

HKYStormFront 12-04-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1435666)
So, it's like launching a GTR with VDC off then huh? Still, woulda been nice to know it's there, even if I never used it. :)


:p

:bowrofl::bowrofl: touche, good sir

Red__Zed 12-04-2011 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1435659)
that's because it voided the warranty (and your marriage license) to do that phil :shakes head:

:icon17:

toxik 12-05-2011 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi (Post 1435661)
, brake bias and fuel mixture adjustment switches, as well as a pit lane speed governor switch (though sadly, no KERS :().

http://lolwut.com/layout/lolwut.jpg

b1adesofcha0s 12-05-2011 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront (Post 1435659)
that's because it voided the warranty (and your marriage license) to do that phil :shakes head:

:roflpuke2:

waaaasabi 12-05-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik (Post 1436438)

Driving a manual 370Z is harder than getting a local shop to do a fuel system flush on a '96 300ZXTT :(

toxik 12-05-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by waaaasabi (Post 1436567)
Driving a manual 370Z is harder than getting a local shop to do a fuel system flush on a '96 300ZXTT :(

they're just discriminating that I'm not chinese, otherwise they'd flush it pronto.


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