The Z's future

toxik · 11-30-2011, 02:20 PM

lol @ the guys saying they won't own an EV sports car.

Guess what, people were saying the same exact thing 30-40 years ago when every sports car was a V8. Now the majority are going to be running i4's.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-30-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by toxik

lol @ the guys saying they won't own an EV sports car.

Guess what, people were saying the same exact thing 30-40 years ago when every sports car was a V8. Now the majority are going to be running i4's.

Displacement and taking the way to modify and customize our motors are 2 different planets of comparison. I'm LoL'Ing the fact you can't see the difference between a aftermarket turbo and an aftermarket battery pack!

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m4a1mustang · 11-30-2011, 03:33 PM

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Displacement and taking the way to modify and customize our motors are 2 different planets of comparison. I'm LoL'Ing the fact you can't see the difference between a aftermarket turbo and an aftermarket battery pack!

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Meh, there really isn't a huge difference. You are doing whatever you need to do to boost power given whatever the power source is. If it's an engine... you can force in more air. If it's a battery... increase the voltage.

Though instead of tuning cars we will be overclocking them.

And instead of GTM vs. Stillen it will be Intel vs. AMD.

b1adesofcha0s · 11-30-2011, 03:38 PM

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Meh, there really isn't a huge difference. You are doing whatever you need to do to boost power given whatever the power source is. If it's an engine... you can force in more air. If it's a battery... increase the voltage.

Though instead of tuning cars we will be overclocking them.

And instead of GTM vs. Stillen it will be Intel vs. AMD.

Bro, I'm running a quad core processor pushing 800 to the wheels

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-30-2011, 03:41 PM

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Meh, there really isn't a huge difference. You are doing whatever you need to do to boost power given whatever the power source is. If it's an engine... you can force in more air. If it's a battery... increase the voltage.

Though instead of tuning cars we will be overclocking them.

And instead of GTM vs. Stillen it will be Intel vs. AMD.

Exactly, and it kills a century old tradition that has unified the world. Its like I said earlier. We have a world of vehicles to juice up. Leave the sports car traditional to invention. There's nothing like buying kewl shiny parts and installing them in your car. It would suck to mod my car soley by computer and battery upgrade.

m4a1mustang · 11-30-2011, 03:47 PM

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Exactly, and it kills a century old tradition that has unified the world. Its like I said earlier. We have a world of vehicles to juice up. Leave the sports car traditional to invention. There's nothing like buying kewl shiny parts and installing them in your car. It would suck to mod my car soley by computer and battery upgrade.

I don't necessarily think it kills the tradition... it just changes it. I don't think gasoline powered cars are going to work for too much longer. There are too many headwinds facing the internal combustion engine.

Energy prices aren't going anywhere but up in the long run and it will get to the point where 99% of the people are priced out of having the option to drive a gas-powered car. Just think as the world switches to alternative fuels the availability of gasoline is going to drop. So even if you wanted to drive your "classic" around it would not be feasible day in and day out.

Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-30-2011, 03:56 PM

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I don't necessarily think it kills the tradition... it just changes it. I don't think gasoline powered cars are going to work for too much longer. There are too many headwinds facing the internal combustion engine.

Energy prices aren't going anywhere but up in the long run and it will get to the point where 99% of the people are priced out of having the option to drive a gas-powered car. Just think as the world switches to alternative fuels the availability of gasoline is going to drop. So even if you wanted to drive your "classic" around it would not be feasible day in and day out.

Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

That goes right back to when I said, you can change all the vehicles out there but the sports car should maintain its tradition as a gas engine. I know the reality will be that my family sedan or hauler will be EV. But now we are talking sports cars. Its a niche market that can remain gasoline for way longer than all other transpportation markets.

Rui Z · 11-30-2011, 04:05 PM

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That goes right back to when I said, you can change all the vehicles out there but the sports car should maintain its tradition as a gas engine. I know the reality will be that my family sedan or hauler will be EV. But now we are talking sports cars. Its a niche market that can remain gasoline for way longer than all other transpportation markets.

The less people use gasoline, the higher the gas cost per individual will be to maintain the infrastructures for gasoline production. Im not gonna drive a Z if it costs $20/gallon of gasoline.

m4a1mustang · 11-30-2011, 04:08 PM

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You won't be saying that when this country can finally become energy independent. When that era comes, gas prices will drop drastically. There are too many factors at play to know for all certainty that combustion engines are doomed.

Well, at present there isn't a snowball's chance in hell for domestic oil. So there's really no reason to think we'll be supplying our own oil anytime soon.

Keep in mind oil is priced in dollars, and the Federal Reserve really likes a weak dollar. So take away the demand situation and you've also got inflationary pressures. Gas is really going to run with the next round of quantitative easing.

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That goes right back to when I said, you can change all the vehicles out there but the sports car should maintain its tradition as a gas engine. I know the reality will be that my family sedan or hauler will be EV. But now we are talking sports cars. Its a niche market that can remain gasoline for way longer than all other transpportation markets.

Sports cars tend to be at the forefront of technology. I think it's more likely for sports cars to make the jump to EV (or other fuel) at the same time as, if not before, the average family car. I doubt they'd linger if the world was in the process of making the switch to EV just so they could carry on some tradition.

Rui Z · 11-30-2011, 04:02 PM

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Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

I actually think the whole alternative fuel revolution (as in most people, >50%, in america will be driving them) will happen alot sooner than that (~10 years). Technology is moving so fast. Most people care more about price than anything else about a car. When gas prices go up more and more, alternative fueled cars will become the cheaper option.

m4a1mustang · 11-30-2011, 04:03 PM

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I actually think the whole alternative fuel revolution (as in most people, >50%, in america will be driving them) will happen alot sooner than that (~10 years). Technology is moving so fast. Most people care more about price than anything else about a car. When gas prices go up more and more, alternative fueled cars will become the cheaper option.

I think it will happen quickly too, I just don't think it's going to be a very fast transition to get all of the gas powered cars off the road.

dAvenue · 11-30-2011, 04:03 PM

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I don't necessarily think it kills the tradition... it just changes it. I don't think gasoline powered cars are going to work for too much longer. There are too many headwinds facing the internal combustion engine.

Energy prices aren't going anywhere but up in the long run and it will get to the point where 99% of the people are priced out of having the option to drive a gas-powered car. Just think as the world switches to alternative fuels the availability of gasoline is going to drop. So even if you wanted to drive your "classic" around it would not be feasible day in and day out.

Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

You won't be saying that when this country can finally become energy independent. When that era comes, gas prices will drop drastically. There are too many factors at play to know for all certainty that combustion engines are doomed.

Spikuh · 11-30-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dAvenue

You won't be saying that when this country can finally become energy independent. When that era comes, gas prices will drop drastically. There are too many factors at play to know for all certainty that combustion engines are doomed.

You will probably be holding your breath for quite some time waiting for the US to become energy independant. The multi-nationals are not going to let this market go without a very hard fight. I agree that internal combustion will be around for quite some time though.

b1adesofcha0s · 11-30-2011, 03:29 PM

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AMEN BROTHER!!! The gospel has been spoken. Electric sports cars are for pansies and pacifists. Electrify sedans. I don't care. Electrify vans SUV's and government vehicles. Kool. Hybridize 18 wheelers and other utility commerical vehicles. But when you bend over to the conversion of sports cars???? That's where all respect for the auto industry is broken. Where's the dignity in these engineers even thinking about an electric"SPORTS" car??? What is the future of FI? Buying a higher volt/ohm battery pack? Will we be upgrading our stereos for better simulated exhaust rumble?
No thanks, no pansymobiles disguised as a sports car for me. This is why its important to upgrade weak parts in our Z's for durability. The gas engine as we know it will be over inside of a decade. Our cars will be valueable classics as well as every other muscle/sports car of today. The world will be one giant honda CR-Z/toy prius and Teslas will continue to cost a heart and lung. The classics will rule beause the future will be us being forced to buy the nissan Z-ev pansy edition. Lmfao!

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Originally Posted by toxik

lol @ the guys saying they won't own an EV sports car.

Guess what, people were saying the same exact thing 30-40 years ago when every sports car was a V8. Now the majority are going to be running i4's.

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