Originally Posted by FL 4Motion (Post 1429580)

crap, must've just glossed over it.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429584)

What else is new. You never listen anymore. You are only interested in what FL 4Motion wants, not what m4a1mustang wants, not what FL4a1Motiong wants. We need to talk about our future...



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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1429603)

in 40 years cars wont even have a steering wheel...

Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 1429603)

in 40 years cars wont even have a steering wheel...

Originally Posted by toxik (Post 1429589)

lol @ the guys saying they won't own an EV sports car.

Guess what, people were saying the same exact thing 30-40 years ago when every sports car was a V8. Now the majority are going to be running i4's.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1429556)

AMEN BROTHER!!! The gospel has been spoken. Electric sports cars are for pansies and pacifists. Electrify sedans. I don't care. Electrify vans SUV's and government vehicles. Kool. Hybridize 18 wheelers and other utility commerical vehicles. But when you bend over to the conversion of sports cars???? That's where all respect for the auto industry is broken. Where's the dignity in these engineers even thinking about an electric"SPORTS" car??? What is the future of FI? Buying a higher volt/ohm battery pack? Will we be upgrading our stereos for better simulated exhaust rumble?
No thanks, no pansymobiles disguised as a sports car for me. This is why its important to upgrade weak parts in our Z's for durability. The gas engine as we know it will be over inside of a decade. Our cars will be valueable classics as well as every other muscle/sports car of today. The world will be one giant honda CR-Z/toy prius and Teslas will continue to cost a heart and lung. The classics will rule beause the future will be us being forced to buy the nissan Z-ev pansy edition. Lmfao!

Originally Posted by toxik (Post 1429589)

lol @ the guys saying they won't own an EV sports car.

Guess what, people were saying the same exact thing 30-40 years ago when every sports car was a V8. Now the majority are going to be running i4's.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1429678)

Displacement and taking the way to modify and customize our motors are 2 different planets of comparison. I'm LoL'Ing the fact you can't see the difference between a aftermarket turbo and an aftermarket battery pack!:icon18:


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Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1429681)

Well as we all know, in a couple years, our vehicles will capable of flight and running on trash. Doc Brown would never lie to us.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429686)

Meh, there really isn't a huge difference. You are doing whatever you need to do to boost power given whatever the power source is. If it's an engine... you can force in more air. If it's a battery... increase the voltage.

Though instead of tuning cars we will be overclocking them. :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

And instead of GTM vs. Stillen it will be Intel vs. AMD. :rofl2:

Originally Posted by Spikuh (Post 1429681)

Well as we all know, in a couple years, our vehicles will capable of flight and running on trash. Doc Brown would never lie to us.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429686)

Meh, there really isn't a huge difference. You are doing whatever you need to do to boost power given whatever the power source is. If it's an engine... you can force in more air. If it's a battery... increase the voltage.

Though instead of tuning cars we will be overclocking them. :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

And instead of GTM vs. Stillen it will be Intel vs. AMD. :rofl2:

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 1429700)

This thread is making me sad in my pants....

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1429696)

Exactly, and it kills a century old tradition that has unified the world. Its like I said earlier. We have a world of vehicles to juice up. Leave the sports car traditional to invention. There's nothing like buying kewl shiny parts and installing them in your car. It would suck to mod my car soley by computer and battery upgrade.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429708)

I don't necessarily think it kills the tradition... it just changes it. I don't think gasoline powered cars are going to work for too much longer. There are too many headwinds facing the internal combustion engine.

Energy prices aren't going anywhere but up in the long run and it will get to the point where 99% of the people are priced out of having the option to drive a gas-powered car. Just think as the world switches to alternative fuels the availability of gasoline is going to drop. So even if you wanted to drive your "classic" around it would not be feasible day in and day out.

Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429708)

Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429708)

I don't necessarily think it kills the tradition... it just changes it. I don't think gasoline powered cars are going to work for too much longer. There are too many headwinds facing the internal combustion engine.

Energy prices aren't going anywhere but up in the long run and it will get to the point where 99% of the people are priced out of having the option to drive a gas-powered car. Just think as the world switches to alternative fuels the availability of gasoline is going to drop. So even if you wanted to drive your "classic" around it would not be feasible day in and day out.

Obviously this won't happen overnight, but 30 years from now the world is definitely going to look much, much different. One way or another we'll have to adapt.

Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1429726)

I actually think the whole alternative fuel revolution (as in most people, >50%, in america will be driving them) will happen alot sooner than that (~10 years). Technology is moving so fast. Most people care more about price than anything else about a car. When gas prices go up more and more, alternative fueled cars will become the cheaper option.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1429720)

That goes right back to when I said, you can change all the vehicles out there but the sports car should maintain its tradition as a gas engine. I know the reality will be that my family sedan or hauler will be EV. But now we are talking sports cars. Its a niche market that can remain gasoline for way longer than all other transpportation markets.

Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1429727)

You won't be saying that when this country can finally become energy independent. When that era comes, gas prices will drop drastically. There are too many factors at play to know for all certainty that combustion engines are doomed.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 1429720)

That goes right back to when I said, you can change all the vehicles out there but the sports car should maintain its tradition as a gas engine. I know the reality will be that my family sedan or hauler will be EV. But now we are talking sports cars. Its a niche market that can remain gasoline for way longer than all other transpportation markets.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429739)

Then again we could all be wrong. 50+ years ago everyone was saying cars would be flying by now...

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429736)

Well, at present there isn't a snowball's chance in hell for domestic oil. So there's really no reason to think we'll be supplying our own oil anytime soon.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429739)

Then again we could all be wrong. 50+ years ago everyone was saying cars would be flying by now...

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1429736)

Well, at present there isn't a snowball's chance in hell for domestic oil. So there's really no reason to think we'll be supplying our own oil anytime soon.

Keep in mind oil is priced in dollars, and the Federal Reserve really likes a weak dollar. So take away the demand situation and you've also got inflationary pressures. Gas is really going to run with the next round of quantitative easing.



Sports cars tend to be at the forefront of technology. I think it's more likely for sports cars to make the jump to EV (or other fuel) at the same time as, if not before, the average family car. I doubt they'd linger if the world was in the process of making the switch to EV just so they could carry on some tradition.

Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1429750)

Care to explain why there is not a chance in hell for this?

I could say the same thing about EV vehicles. They are more expensive to manufacture, cost more to the consumer, produce dismal sales figures and do not contribute to a company's profit margin. Electric vehicles certainly do not exist to make money. The only reason they exist is to satisfy government regulations that dictate a company's overall carbon emissions score; EV cars lower that score.

Without question, the vast majority of money is made from sale of gasoline vehicles. Based on that alone, I can safely say there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that combustion engines will be obsolete in 30 years. The market for EV is too small and the cost of producing them is too large.

Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1429750)

Care to explain why there is not a chance in hell for this?

I could say the same thing about EV vehicles. They are more expensive to manufacture, cost more to the consumer, produce dismal sales figures and do not contribute to a company's profit margin. Electric vehicles certainly do not exist to make money. The only reason they exist is to satisfy government regulations that dictate a company's overall carbon emissions score; EV cars lower that score.

Without question, the vast majority of money is made from sale of gasoline vehicles. Based on that alone, I can safely say there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that combustion engines will be obsolete in 30 years. The market for EV is too small and the cost of producing them is too large.

Originally Posted by Rui Z (Post 1429758)

But you are assuming no advances in technology or reduction in electric vehicle price or gasoline price increases.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1429762)

That may be true for today, but the more they sell and develop, the cheaper it will be to produce them. Eventually the manufacturing cost will be enough to make them comparable to gasoline powered cars.

Look at the PS3 for example. When it came out, it was $600. A lot of people said they weren't interested due to the high price tag. After a couple years of making them Sony was able to reduce the manufacturing cost and offer them at a lower price to the consumer. This boosted sales causing the cycle to repeat and Sony lowered the price again once they made it even cheaper to manufacture them. 5 years later, PS3's cost what like $150? That's 25% of what they cost when they came out just 5 years ago.

Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1429767)

This is different because the PS3 had big demand. Electric vehicles, on the other hand, do not.

Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1429727)

You won't be saying that when this country can finally become energy independent. When that era comes, gas prices will drop drastically. There are too many factors at play to know for all certainty that combustion engines are doomed.

Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1429773)

I realize it's different, but it's still a little similar. The demand for EVs is low because of cost. If the cost goes down, the demand will go up. Just look at what happened with hybrid cars. When the cost came down, more and more people wanted to buy hybrids. There are still some technological limitations with EVs, the major one being range, but once those are taken care of the demand will be there. I think it's safe to assume that the demand for EVs will be comparable to those of hybrids today, once they become more affordable.

Originally Posted by dAvenue (Post 1429786)

That's a fair point but it should be noted that manufacturing hybrids meant big tax breaks for Acme company. If the government wasn't subsidizing them, the consumer costs would still be very high and the demand would still be very low. Given that the federal government is broke and it needs to cut spending, subsidies like this one should be on the chopping block. The market would then truly dictate the progress of such vehicles, EV's included. However, if the fed doesn't cut it, then you have a good argument in favor of EV's.