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Red__Zed 10-18-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1365832)
Somehow I just glossed over that one. That is a VERY important caveat. What is the engine coolant system like?

PS. I would ASSUME (I know...) that Nissan tested this, to make sure it would actually do most of what people seem to hope it will?

I'm sure they have. But last time they found a flaw, they added limp mode.

I just think the ability to keep revving at 6k after hitting 280 will allow people to go beyond the point of no return.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365847)
I'm sure they have. But last time they found a flaw, they added limp mode.

I just think the ability to keep revving at 6k after hitting 280 will allow people to go beyond the point of no return.

I did not read this whole marathon post, is limp-mode gone!? That's a no-no on ANY street going vehicle...

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1365859)
I did not read this whole marathon post, is limp-mode gone!? That's a no-no on ANY street going vehicle...

no, we have no details.

But limp mode limits to 5500 or so at 280, and doesn't limit to 3k until 300. dropping that kinda temp is gonna take a while.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365863)
no, we have no details.

But limp mode limits to 5500 or so at 280, and doesn't limit to 3k until 300. dropping that kinda temp is gonna take a while.

Well, now that the radiator is providing flow to the oil path, it won't take forever. I can shed roughly 1-2* every 5-10 seconds at 200*F oil temps just by taking the car out of gear at 70mph and letting it coast a touch. Of course, the cooling systems are pretty different based on that picture. I don't know, I'm sure Nissan did their homework, noone likes replacing engines.

I'm really liking what the 370Z has evolved into, now if they go with DI and get that bhp up to 370-380, I'm sold.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1365866)
Well, now that the radiator is providing flow to the oil path, it won't take forever. I can shed roughly 1-2* every 5-10 seconds at 200*F oil temps just by taking the car out of gear at 70mph and letting it coast a touch. Of course, the cooling systems are pretty different based on that picture. I don't know, I'm sure Nissan did their homework, noone likes replacing engines.

I'm really liking what the 370Z has evolved into, now if they go with DI and get that bhp up to 370-380, I'm sold.

i don't think you understand the changes that happen when the system winds up heatsoaked.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 09:02 PM

DI would be nice. If they pushed the power that high, I'd swap the subaru for another one.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365868)
i don't think you understand the changes that happen when the system winds up heatsoaked.

Maybe not, but I have never had a problem cooling a car off before that got the oil temps into the mid 200's. Then again, it wasn't a 370Z, either, so I digress. Time will tell when people take these and track them and report back. I'm hoping!

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365869)
DI would be nice. If they pushed the power that high, I'd swap the subaru for another one.

Yep, I think the 370Z would make a GREAT! 400bhp car with the addition of a bit wider tire out back, 395's would suffice nicely.

I'm wanting a 370Z and the extra $500 in my wallet every month, but 500+bhp is intoxicating. I'll get tired of it, though, and trade in a while. For now...:driving:

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1365870)
Maybe not, but I have never had a problem cooling a car off before that got the oil temps into the mid 200's. Then again, it wasn't a 370Z, either, so I digress. Time will tell when people take these and track them and report back. I'm hoping!

i don't think the Z's rad can dissipate much more than 80kJ, you're going to be pushing more than that when the oil is up at 280 and the coolant is heated accordingly.

hopefully the cooling system will prevent it from getting to that point...it's entirely possible that won't be a problem unless you are absolutely railing the car. I do know that if you get there, you are in trouble though.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365875)
i don't think the Z's rad can dissipate much more than 80kJ, you're going to be pushing more than that when the oil is up at 280 and the coolant is heated accordingly.

hopefully the cooling system will prevent it from getting to that point...it's entirely possible that won't be a problem unless you are absolutely railing the car. I do know that if you get there, you are in trouble though.

Time will tell. If it works decent, I am torn on waiting for the new platform or getting the 370. I have looked at all the other cars in the price-point I want to be at, and the 370Z is the one I want in that price range. I doubt the C7 will be selling for shy of $50K for a long time.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 09:13 PM

still waiting to hear back from Z1. hopefully they can give us actual heat dissipation numbers for the rad...nissan won't release them. it will be pretty easy to see where the tipping point is once we know what it can push, with just a ballpark on the o:w: cooler transfer.

Of course, if it becomes an issue, radiator replacements are easy, and air coolers are still available as a proven solution.

ImportConvert 10-18-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1365884)
still waiting to hear back from Z1. hopefully they can give us actual heat dissipation numbers for the rad...nissan won't release them. it will be pretty easy to see where the tipping point is once we know what it can push, with just a ballpark on the o:w: cooler transfer.

Of course, if it becomes an issue, radiator replacements are easy, and air coolers are still available as a proven solution.

Rather than some "book number", I think if someone were to take the car to Spring Mountain in NV and flog the piss out of it on a 100* day and tell us how it went, that would be worth a lot more.

Pharmacist 10-18-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Guard Dad (Post 1365652)
Looking forward to seeing someone do a DIY retrofit.

Why? If it requires a lot of fabrication and custom work you'd be better off going with an oil to air cooler instead, not to mention the better cooling effect anyway.

Red__Zed 10-18-2011 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1365888)
Rather than some "book number", I think if someone were to take the car to Spring Mountain in NV and flog the piss out of it on a 100* day and tell us how it went, that would be worth a lot more.

too many variables there. though that data would be useful for understanding how fast it heated up.

onzedge 10-18-2011 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1365893)
Why? If it requires a lot of fabrication and custom work you'd be better off going with an oil to air cooler instead, not to mention the better cooling effect anyway.

:iagree:


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