Good post, and i totally agree.

lol@ camaro. why are we talking about that piece of slop again?

only Chevy that has the right to be mentioned on this forum is the ZR1.

GM is a joke… the american car corporations are a joke.
Keep makin cara for 5% of the country
And you will make 5% of the NGP of total car sales.
There cars are mainly geared toward the racist american
Mullethead redneck society of north america. Mostly.
Corvette is way overpriced for its build quality.
Camaro interiors are cheap.
Pontiac is shutting down.
Trucks are 4 old headz n farmers n guzzle to much gas.
Cadillac only has the cts of bein a worthy car.
Buick is the best of GM. But lil money is invested in ads to sell them better.
Ford mustang. The paper machee sculpture in the world of granite shrines.
Cheaply built n outdated tech.
Ford taurus.... we'll see
Focus... rather own a mazda 3 base.
F150 the best duty truck in da business. But no fun factor unless u wear a mullet.
Chrysler... challanger... no handling capability. The car for Sunday cruising.
The dash looks the same in every chrysler car.
The best materials inside than the other ponies but still not the best quality
By comparison of foreign companies. Sorry. Besides my altima was built here
In the USA n nissan didn't lay off ant americans n didn't need a bailour for there
Norh American division.
Oh YEAH REDNECKS. When nissan, hyundai, honda,toyota say
NORTH AMERICAN DIVISiON
THAT MEANS THEY ARE ACTUALLY PROVIDING FACTORIES PLUS AN ASSORTMENT
Line, management engineering and logistics jobs as well as banking and finance.
THuS stimulating the american market.
THE AUtO MARKET WENT GLOBAL in the 80s. Cobalts n cavaliers were
Toyota parts on an american design. And most of the pontiacs and saturns.
Were global cars designed n built in european australian n canadian factories.
While most of the compacts were built in mexico. Only leaving america to build gas
Guzzling trucks.
So know ur sh%t. Too many ignorant people in this world.
Yeah god bless america.
But america please don't try to rob me by selling me a 30k car that's only worth 20k
The second it rolls off the lot and only 9k affter 1 year n 15kmiles.
Which is the value of 75% of the gm and chrysler line up. N 90% of ford.
I owned 3 american cars. My moms car is american. Its a good reliable car.
But she paid 30k for her car in 05. The malibu fully loaded with all leather n goodies.
In 09. The car is worth 5k as a trade n 9k to a dealer.
My altimas. The o8, I bought a 3.5v6 23,5k on a deal I got. Its worth 21k now.
My 98 altima was 14k in 98. Its worth $5500 in 09.
Cars are an investment.
If a company is going to sell u better quality go for it.
The flag can only take you so far when u have to think of ur future.
Do u buy stock knowing its unstable?
Or do u buy stock that has a huge potential for growth?
I pray america gets in the game strong. I really do.
But I'm also mad at GM for taking billions in baolout money.
Then filing bankruptcy. Us taxpayers were robbed. N then they filed
So they can get a debt discount. That's mad shady.
So no. I have no respect for the american auto discount.
They are thieves and welfare recipients.

wow, that's the opposite of a run-on sentence. probably should have kept that to yourself. :wtf2:

I think the Camaro guys could type a sentence better than that. That is a insult to us Z guys.

agreed. one of those times when you say, "no no don't defend us, you are making it worse!" lol

Hard to compare these two cars. One is a coupe with a back seat, one is a 2 seat sports car. V8 vs V6, and on and on. It's a different car altogether.

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I've had a lot of Fords and I never had a problem with any of them. Are they thrilling to drive? No, were they solid dependable vehicles? Yes.

This always get's ugly, way too much hating going on!
We all know what would happen when it comes down to the streets and track so why don't we all just man up and let this die!

Seriously - two cars for two entirely different occasions - this is like a pickup truck owner arguing with a prius driver about which car is better.... /thread

How do sensible, mature adults come to the conclusion that the best way to spend their time is to measure eachothers car cocks and throw stereotypes at eachother via forums? This is rediculous.

I'm not going to bother arguing each cars strong and weak points, I think that doing so would only contribute to the flaming going on in both forums. Both threads on both forums should be locked. Threads like this only spawn blind hatred from members who get offended by others talking trash on their pride and joy, and make otherwise level headed individuals into hate mongers.

Geezus, Need4Speed...

OK... Wow.. I guess I agree with 1/3rd of what you said... But there's a lot of miss-lead accusations in there. I don't like the politics behind GM either, but damn, dude... It sounds like you have some serious pent up anger against them.

My Solstice was '07 35K out the door. It's worth 18K now. Of course GM cars don't maintain their value. Especially now. The only American cars that maintain or appreciate value are the old muscle cars... That's about it. Even a used ZR1 can be bought for under 100K. Practically new Z06 Corvettes are around 45-50K on ebay all day long.

There's no winning with them if you're going for value. Buy the car cause you want it. Not because it's an investment.

The union didnt hustle anybody, what they got was bargained for and agreed to by highly compensated executives. It is as if some people think that these labor contracts were just dropped from above and in final form. Additionally, the main escalator of expenses for the US car manufactures is and has been health care, for actives and retirees, whereas both Japanese and German companies are relieved of large portions of similar obligations by their respective governments...so not really a level playing field from that perspective.

I think the points made about resale value are very valid. If you buy a car like a Camaro, you have to want to keep it for a long time, or not be too bothered by a pretty significant drop in value right off the bat. It comes with the territory. I have a Z28 that I still haven't sold, and it has a lot to do with the fact that while it's a third car, the resale/trade in value just didnt make enough sense to get rid of it yet.

um...the truck....duh! :rolleyes:






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