1.) It's not a piece of junk. It performs quite well and is a bargain at that price.
2.) Most of the employment issues you identify above are direct contributors to GM's current state of affairs.

The .88g was for the Camaro SS not the V6 version. Both the SS and the Z were tested by the same publisher and the Z came out on top with better numbers.

Pontiac TransAm WS6.
Well let's start with front bumper and work the way back. I know I'll forget a lot of it.
The engine fan broke, radiator started leaking, alternator went bad, master cylinder, doors wouldn't close properly, windows wouldn't roll up, fuel pump.

What year?

Soooo...pretty much many things...EXCEPT the motor went bad.

So how does that relate to your motor almost falling apart and the 350Z sounding "like new" at 80K miles?

Right I saw the vid what I meant is that it seemed abnormal to me because most other tester/reviewers have them within .4/.3-ish of each other.

a bargain? hmmmm... what would make it a bargain? doesn't it sticker in the high 30's for a SS?

I believe the 1SS is 31k and the 2SS 34k

True, but thats with no options. The $34K will probably be $38K in reality. To me thats not a bargain for a camaro whose only real strength is straight ahead speed.

I'm biased of course, I really don't like the car much. I am not digging the retro styling (get an original idea GM) and giant size of the car. At the very least they should have ended the retro before they designed the interior. I am glad Nissan has stayed away from the boat steering wheels like the camaro and challenger have.

I am glad, however, that GM made the thing. same with the Mustand GT and Challenger, I am glad other car companies are making performance oriented cars.

Actually you can get a pretty loaded 2 SS for $34 - $35. You won't have sunroof or some coosmetic options like the smoked gray wheels or hood stripes, but you get the leather, Boston audio, I-pod interface, 6-speed manual, 20 inch wheels etc. That's abargin in my book.

I also think the car has a lot more going for it than straight line speed. Most of the magazine reviews have complimented it on its handling. Sure the skid pad numbers are a bit behind the Z, the slalom and braking numbers are quite similar. Pretty impressive for a car built on a sedan platform that weighs close to 4,000 pounds.

Not saying the Camaro is all things to all people, but it is a bargin just like the Z is. Just a bit of a different flavor.

the 2SS i saw at the dealer was like 39,300 or something

And the 370z I saw at the dealer was in the Low/Mid- $40's ..... what you getting at ??? :tup:

It's ok to be bias I mean it is a Zcar forum after all .... I'm just trying to be fair is all. I really like the Z ( aside for the overheating ) and I love that it's finally grown-up and looks the part cause if it was the 350z I was comparing to the SS it would have been over along time ago and I'd be looking up what a Push rod is lol ;).

Most dealerships are selling Camaro's at sticker price, or less. I know of at least 3 that were selling them for sticker, so saying a 34K sticker will be 38K in reality isn't accurate.

I wasn't saying it would be a markup, I meant if you add options like most cars will have. $34K model with a few options will be around $38K. If you look at their website and look at the price of options, the aerodynamic package thing is $2300 by itself, so just adding that one option gets you to $36.3K, then you have floormats, etc. While the model does start at $34K, probably won't be many of those with no options. you could special order one and keep it at $34K I suppose.

I have no idea what kind of deal you can get on one, i am talking sticker price only.

regardless, i can't imagine paying $40K for a camaro, so, to me, a camaro priced in the high $30's is not a bargain but instead is the highest price I could imagine for that car. people that like camaros may think $40K would still be a good deal. just my .02.

I think I fully equipped a 2SS and it was almost 40K or so. But, you can just as easily get a stripper 1SS with most everything anyone would want, for around 31 or 32...