You do make some valid points that i totally agree with. But some of your arguments are nonsense. Yes the oil temp thing is a flaw and a big fail on Nissan's part. But it's easily fixed. A minor flaw like this shouldn't really be the sole decision in buying a car. Almost any car would need some upgrades before doing serious track duty, even porsches and ferraris. As for the brakes, yes the Z's pads are oriented towards daily driving and are rubbish on the track. But that's a common problem with all cars. I have hp+ pads which work wonders on the track, but with the amount of brake dust and squealing they do, it's not hard to see why Nissan and other car companies don't offer such pads on the car. Keep in mind most sports car buyers are NOT track rats. They probably don't even know what an apex is. Yes I'm sure Evo brakes are better than the Z's but I doubt they are stellar either. I'm pretty sure you would still need at least pads and fluid for serious track duty.

Can't argue with you about practicality. But it's a 2 seater sports car. It isn't made to be practical, and it's ridiculous to expect otherwise. Really, who the heck goes to buy a 2 seat sports car in order to carry military gear to a base? That's what pickup trucks are for. Hit and run magnet isn't the fault of the Z. It's the fault of idiot drivers. Unless the Evo comes from the factory with idiot driver repellant, I'm not quite sure about your point.

And I have an even harder time understanding the VDC argument. VDC being crap on the track is excellent reason to turn it off and go into Lewis Hamilton mode! Who keeps the traction control on while lapping anyway? As for the street, VDC is what it is. It gets the job done, which is to keep you from killing yourself if you do something stupid like flooring it while doing a U turn on an icy road or whatever.

Really, apart from the oil temp issue which is a totally legitimate problem, and the lack of practicality (which you should have known in the first place going with a small 2 seat sports car), the rest of complaints are quite petty and ridiculous.

Taking bets on how many pages of back-and-forth we get out of this.




































PS: I'd be happy with either an Evo or a 370, either on the street or the track. They are both fun and capable cars. Neither is radically better than the other in any field.

:iagree: well said.

Journo opinions are just opinions. The McClaren blows away the 458 in every measure, yet all the journos rate the 458. It is subjective. You like what you like, it's not important that your car "wins" in somebody elses mind, especially the dumb ones. A mustang is a car for the proletariat. That's why they sell so many. Our cars are for connisseurs.

The 370Z is not a track car. Don't take it there without a brake fluid change to racing, and adding an oil cooler. Personally, I am glade my car was $1000 cheaper and did not have the oil cooler.

Have fun.

No way, shifting a car 500RPM makes a dramatic difference in both Z and Corvette. My car hoovers around 260F and creeps near 270 while hotlapping, it drops to 250-260 as soon as I short shift. It was the same exact thing with the C6.

I am getting too old to race against the car in front of me in a time trial, clocks are safer bets.

i also agree 100%, add to that the fact that this snakes709 guy doesnt seem to ever have anything good to say about the Z and just makes himself look like a troll most of the time. i'm all for people having their right to an opinion, but to just call something garbage based on a few petty things that you yourself may only have a problem with and not everyone else just shows how close minded he/she is. While the whole oil temp. thing is a valid argument that alot of people have issues with including myself, like others have stated it is an easy fix, but to every other thing that snakes has said it is all subjective and personally i have no issues with any of the problems he/she claims the Z has. In any case i'm glad you enjoy your Evo snakes, but in the future please refrain from calling the Z garbage and i'm sure all the members of the Z forum here will do the same for the Evo crowd cause in the end we all joined these types of forums for one reason.....because we enjoy our cars :)

The answer is neither, you will destroy the OEM brake pads before your day ends (assuming you don't end up in a wall) on either car, especially if you don't drive like a novice.

The VDC is garbage on the Z, but do you think the guys using it are truly fast drivers? (Please don't believe in smooth drivers can do better with the VDC in the Z, the system will kick on easily)

Refer to Post #214!

My buddy owns a base cherry 370z, Ive driven it, it's a very nice car, ultra sporty and absolutely gorgeous!
I just wonder if this lack of an oil cooler thing is going to affect: long term engine reliability/failure issues, resale values, confidence in the product. In the short run, the damage is mostly that people are wondering "what if" ? One of the reasons I sold my RX8 is due to long term reliability questions...I have to wonder why Nissan, who is known for quality and reliability, would eliminate the oil cooler and go with lesser quality brakes? That seems very foolish. Pennywise in the short term but costly in the long run.

Thats what Limp Mode is there for. Nissan made the car go in Limp Mode so not to damage the engine.

I see WAY more boy racers, oh sorry I mean Evo's on the street than 370's. Though I have never tracked either I would have to say the Z is a better track car. I believe it bested the Evo on the Top Gear track, although Im not sure what version of Evo was used. If you wanna bad mouth the 370 join an Evo forum and do it there.

A bit off topic, but I LOVED! The "VDC" in the corvette. It does its part pretty well. Is the VDC in the 370Z not as good, or do you think they both suck?

Corvette did it with the seats.
Viper did it with the "small parts"


If you want a car that "has it all", you will have to spend a lot more $$. The Porsche Cayman S is a well-balanced car, but it's way slower than a 'vette, and similar to the 370Z--for nearly twice the price. However, it is "the full package". Premium everything, and very very well executed.

Now, to get up to Z06 performance in a similar car, you will have to go up to the Porsche GT3, etc. etc. and you will spend a TON! more money.

It's all about what you want, and what you can afford. Don't like the 370Z's short-comings? I would say your next stop is at the $60K point with a Cayman S. You will get very similar performance but a better "over-all" package.

Does this make sense, or am I butchering my thought-conveyance?

To be fair, one must know their limits. I drive a Z06, and I know damn well that I am not a pro, and have no place trying to act like one. So, I drive it within MY COMFORT ZONE (which at spring mountain I learned was about like an instructor in a Camaro SS, lol). If the person you are responding to has more fun driving the EVO within his comfort zone than the 370Z, what's to knock? He knows his limits and is within them. That is responsible. However, you are 100% right that that does NOT give them the right to knock the Z. I will say though, with it's weight distribution and wheel-base, I would imagine the 370Z is highly rewarding if you know what you are doing, and a flat out bitch if you don't. In my Z06, the "VDC" is pretty darn good and unless you are being a complete idiot, will keep you off the wall if you do your part. Some have said the 370Z has a good VDC, some not so much. Either way, drive within your limits. Much more manly to admit them and learn as you go than try to be Billy Badass and take a cab home from the track.

When i was talking about the VDC, i wasnt talking about it on the track. I not only had it turned off, i had the harness pulled out. I'm talking about DD, mainly in the winter. The VDC screwed me up so many times i got sick of it. You can barely get moving with it on. It would actualy make me feel like im loosing control in a turn, even on ice. I can take a turn normally or even with my *** end sliding out and be in control 100%, but the second VDC kicks in, it sends the car all over the place. As where as the Evo's systems it doesnt make huge/noticeable corrections. Yes i know its AWD, but i feel more safe if i know whats going to happen and what i can expect. The VDC system was like "oh ****! gotta do this NOW!!" the Evo's system is like "ok sweet, the guy is having issues, lets help him out abit"

Now for the track since the system in the Evo is alot more advance i went with traction control off (1 push of the button) and left the rest of the systems on. Next time when i feel more comfortable ill turn all the systems off (hold for 3 secs) just to see how the car handles when it doesnt have the AYC and all that stuff.

And yet your point is invalid to me. You never tracked either cars and i doubt you owned a evo either. So until you have taken both cars on the track, your posts are useless to me, kbye

That sucks. I had thought Nissan's VDC was pretty decent from other stuff I read.

It's great for guys who can't drive, it's useless if you are trying to compete for lap times. It kicks on way too easily, it doesn't allow you to apply gas off the apex if there is too much side load. It's worse than the regular mode for the Corvette, heck my Prius allows me to slide more. I ran about 5+ sec slower with it on than off at a 3.5 miles track.

Heck, it freaking kicked on at about 120mph when a small crosswind hit the car down the straight. No joke, caught on video!

There are a lot of Evos in North Jersey.

/shrug

I'd still get one, though.

edit: this might be a way out there thought, but I think the VDC is so restrictive because of how many fatalities the 350 had/has. I can't imagine that is good for business.

I never see 370's. Plenty of Evo's.

Possible, but not sure 370 is doing much better. Too many people driving like an a-hole in it.

Yeah, but people drive like idiots in -every- car, not just a sports car -- and not just a 370z.

Of course, there just happens to be more of it in the 370z. I guess it's more the demographics

With the sports package the Z can stop quicker actually... and while the fade is better, yes you do need pads for track use on an Evo.

You're an idiot... kbye! :wtf2:

I never even saw any safety ratings for the 370... it has to have a decent amount of safety or else the government wouldn't allow the car to be sold.

That's why they never made a 2007 Evo supposedly. The 03-06 only had a 2 star side impact rating.

people are still arguing about evo vs 370? evo is a far better machine on the track, it is evo's bread and butter. live with it.

Why did it have a slower lap time in the article? Why does it have slower lap times in other articles? You don't even know what you're talking about. The Evo is a great car, but the only thing that helps it vs. the 370 is the AWD and the S-AWC system... the aftermarket for Mitsu being so large also is a HUGE help.

Dude, can we close this thread. It's starting to annoy me.

hahahah the 370z fan boys area all over this one

Well it is a 370z forum..........

If he doesn't like it he should go troll his bMw forum, but maybe he was already banned from it....Attachment 34480

I just dont get it, I own a Z so Im part of the Z forums. Do people actually join this site just to sh¡T talk?? Truely incredible.

BBC - Top Gear - Power Laps

Nissan 370Z 1.27.5
Audi RS5 1.27.5 (m)
Subaru Cossie 1.27.7 (w)
Camaro 1.27.9
BMW M3 CSL 1.28.0
Roush Mustang 1.28.0
Renault Megane R26R 1.28.1
BMW Z4 1.28.2
Marcos TSO GT2 1.28.2
Subaru WRX Sti 1.28.2
BMW X5M 1.28.2
Mitsubishi Evo X 1.28.22
Dodge Viper SRT-10 1.28.5
MG SV 1.28.6
Porsche 911 Carrera S 1.28.9
Mitsubishi Evo VIII 1.28.9

Enough Said.

Indeed. His spelling and grammar are atrocious as well.

Thank you, I wanted to pull that up and post it yesterday but was too lazy.
End of discussion.

i believe the evo was the UK-only fq300 model. It has the twin clutch SST gearbox and tuned to produce 300 hp and 300 lb ft of torque.

power laps aren't really the be-all end-all judge of a cars performance, just to be fair. TGTT is designed to be fun to watch cars go around, rather than an real judge.

Dude...who uses the phrase "kbye" and is not a 17 year old girl? It's been pretty amusing sitting this one out and watch you make a fool of yourself. You bought a two seat coupe, and were disappointed by the lack of storage capacity, all along knowing you were in the military and would likely need to move your stuff with said vehicle? Are you simple? And again, you bought a RWD sports car and were distraught by it's lack of abilities in the snow? I say good riddance to a tool like you, the 370Z community is better off without you.

It may not be the Nurburgring, but I don't plan on driving the Nurburgring on a daily basis. The TGTT, in my opinion, mimics a lot of what I incur on a daily basis in the Z (more acceleration than top speed).

It's a valid enough source for me to form a conclusion and is, in my opinion, one of the few sources which compiles the results in an apple-to-apple comparison with limited subjectivity (the Stig is relatively consistent).