I am a whore for improving technology, not publicity stunts or side upgrades to technology. Which with some of the people in this thread I cannot name specific cars or brands or I might upset them. :stirthepot:

Okay, the GT-R's engine/turbo's weigh over 600#. The LS9 makes way more power, and weighs around 500#. Lets go move for move.

GM is not "re-building glory-years". They are making the most power that can possibly be made in a 450# engine without incurring insane costs.

Why don't you do some research on it? Nothing even comes close to the LS7 for making 500+bhp N/A price-wise. I mean by tens of thousands of dollars.

Nothing makes as much as the LS9 in the production car world unless you want to include things like the Veyron, and kit-car type stuff. Then you would have to include Hennessey's "kit car".

My point is, for the cost of the LSX series engine, they are BY FAR the best performing powerplant you can buy when it comes to durability/power/weight/price, and easy as pie to upgrade even further, or leave alone and enjoy a 5/100 warranty.

Can you name another 600+bhp car that has a 5/100K mile warranty?

This argument is similar to what S2000 owners keep crowing about "hp/L".

Well since you lost the race, your opinion isn't worth much. That's the message GM is sending by producing the fastest production car in the world (regarding the 'Ring, which seems to be "the" standard now days). They did it all with 16 valves and 1 cam.

Improving technology is GREAT! But when you have a $9 mouse-trap with 30 moving parts that won't catch as many mice as the $0.99 mousetrap with 3 moving parts--you fail.

Again I am looking at improvements in technology, not shitty side upgrades. Wow, you keep throwing out arguments that make your point and avoid my side completely.
Again, the Nissan R35 engine plus manifold, downpipes (cats) and more making it 600lbs. I have yet to see just the motor weight in without all the OEM exhaust parts. I have picked up the OEM exhaust parts, each piece weights in around 15lbs which adds up quickly.

Great we agree on the LSx motors are fantastic which is not what I have been saying. I am saying the motors are dated and GM should look forward and not backwards.

Oh I did forget one thing though: VK56VD & VK56DE
DE currently capped at 600HP & 479TQ per racing requirements, VD is not yet allowed to be raced.

They would only be dated if they couldn't compete. But they compete, and by compete I mean crush.

The more I think about it, it is considered a waste to buy a vehicle like this period. I just dont know sometimes. LOL

Since we're talking about everything under the sun, What do you guys think of global warming???

:D

NASCAR engines can go 600 miles (Coca Cola 600) running between 8000-9000RPM for virtually the whole race. Current F1 has 19 races with a 10 engine cap, each race is roughly 200 miles long. You don't have to like it, these are just facts. I personally can't stand the smell of leaded gas or the noise of the pushrod V8s, but I respect them for being great machines.

Prius is behind on technology? The last time I checked, Ford Escape's hybrid system and Altima's hybrid system are licensed through Toyota. Toyota also holds 2100+ patents on its synergy drive where Honda has half of that on their system. There is a reason why Prius is selling so much better than the Insight and the other hybrids. Also technology cost money, how do you expect to compete when you priced yourself out of the market. It's one of the reasons why Japanese sports cars died in the 90s. Supra/3000GT/NSX were over 50K, RX-7 TT/300ZX were approaching that level. It's not that Toyota doesn't have the technology, they are just smart enough not to price themselves out of the market (which I think you could say they did with the LFA). Lithium battery is great, but it cost nearly $4K more than the current setup. The current setup is also so reliable that people are getting 10+ years on them and they have offered 150K miles warranty on the CARBs cars for the batteries. It all comes down to cost and benefit. In the case of the LS motors, there is no benefit for GM to spend millions of dollars on a new motor when the current one is still competitive.

Also just for your reference, here is a dyno from a 350Z and a non Z06 C6. There is a big power difference between the two, that's the reason why you can bypass two gears driving in the city. 350's torque is basically the same as the 370 down low, the non Z06 C6 is a lot less than the Z06....

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7308/dynoq.th.jpg

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If you think the LS engine is old, you might want to check with the Germans on their 911s........

Sorry OP for taking this way out of context.

What do you mean global warming, it is perfectly fine outside. It is not like a large portion of the US is breaking heat records or anything. :ugh2:

*COUGH* HPFP *COUGH* (for the 335i)

You must have missed how successful the Corvette LeMans racing programs are......

Guess you missed this GT-R which uses the Nissan V8. I know plenty about the Corvette success, I watch almost all the races with them because they are an impressive team.
http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-20...R-1280x960.jpg

once again, i have nothing against any of the teams or cars. pushrod or overhead or 8 floying dildos, it makes no difference as long as they get the job done

This thread went downhill fast